Serious General christian thread
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I think discussion of either of those could make for an interesting thread.
Albeit, I guess since that thread hasn't yet been created, I can begin the conversation about either of them here. In my own view, I'm completely opposed to Christian Identity, since in my opinion there are far better ways to advocate for the rights of your extended family (your race) without heretically changing scripture to entirely go "we wuz israelites", and plus it then falls into other theological disagreements I would have with that sort of narrative when it comes to God's covenant with the Israelites. Still, I'm curious, what exactly does Positive Christianity do in interpreting scripture? I've only ever known of it as the term National Socialist Germany used to describe its endorsement and advocation for Christian values without pertaining to any particular doctrine, like Roman Catholicism or Lutheranism.
Volker41
Nusoicaca
if you want to understand Positive Christianity then you should read "Positive Christianity in the Third Reich" by Cajus Fabricius and if you want to get a grasp of what some individuals in the Christian Identity movement believe in then you should just visit christogenea.org and truthvids.net
Alextremo2TheMax
2024 oldGOD
god AINT no positive message. you sinners will one day find yourself in a position where god is crashin down on yo world
Hagon
So obsess with me mang
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CAPITALIZE THE G IN "GOD" RIGHT FUCKING NOW
Hagon
So obsess with me mang
christianity but for nazis
Alextremo2TheMax
2024 oldGOD
o praise allah.. the ummah is helpess... :eek:
Nihilma
/caca/borean
idk how anyone could ever reconcile the two geg, wtf.
All the first christians were hebrews, and modern jews probably have the closest genetical pool to that of Jesus and the Apostles.
Also, race has no place within the Church, for every christian's identity is within Christ
Volker41
Nusoicaca
The fact that you use the word "nazis" just shows that you have no actual understanding of actual National Socialism besides that which was put in your brain by the system, but I honestly dont fully blame you, because most people are completely brainwashed by (((hollywood))) movies and mainstream (((academia))) into having a very crude and extremely inaccurate view of National Socialism and the Third Reich
National Socialism is about the union of the Volk under a common realm, Nation or dominion. National Socialism recognizes the Volk, a racially homogemous population with common ancestry, culture and brotherhood as the foundation of a truly united, healthy and strong Nation.
National Socialism is about the defense of the common good of the Volk.
National Socialism defends the principle of the common interest before individual interest.
National Socialism is against greed, degeneracy and everything that is subversive and harms the Nation and the Volk that forms the Nation.
National Socialism is about fighting against the judeo-bolsheviks and the jewish financial elites that control banking. National Socialism is about rejecting materialism and thinking about the common good of the Volk before your own selfish interests.
National Socialism is a truly spiritual doctrine, one that is connected to the Natural and to the Spiritual. It recognizes humans as being ruled by Natural laws, and it recognizes the importance of the Natural laws that have been set up by the divine force or forces that created them. It raises one's soul above the materialistic levels of self-interest and moves one torwards the common interest of the Volk and the duty to the family, Nation and God.
It's not a ruthless genocidal mania like the jews in hollywood and the bankers that fund them would like you to believe. The truth is that National Socialism defends the right to self determination of all peoples, with each Volk belonging to their own land.
Please read The 25 Point Program of the NSDAP, then read Mein Kampf, then read 88 Precepts by David Lane
Nihilma
/caca/borean
That's great and all but there's no concept of racial superiority in christian theology, matter of fact it opposes it strongly.
I'm all for a strong nation built around the greater good of it's people, but a christian identifies first and foremost as a member of the Church before a member of a people.
And in the Church, the bride of Christ, all are being given life through Christ, through whom we place our identity in.
Meaning that our live is hidden in Christ to God, and God sees in us not our human nature but the life of Christ.
God therefore sees a black christian the same way he sees a white christian or an asian christian, and asks us to see each other as brothers and sisters, bound by links stronger than flesh. I am therefore closer to a black christian than I am to a white non-christian, and I am not closer to a white christian than I am to an asian christian.
Meaning that race has no say on your identity, Christ only has, if you truly call yourself christian.
And while fighting against injustice is a great cause, those who possess a lot of goods are not inherently evil, though their possessions can be a hinderance in accepting Christ.
The modern jews are as much heretics as are muslims, but both are definitely closer to us than say a hindu or an atheist, as they already have concepts of One God and of sin.
But then again vauching for a country to defend it's culture and people is not wrong, as long as this doesn't imply cleansing of other people in your country geg
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Hagon
So obsess with me mang
I genuinely just don't really care. I already believe in most of the things you listed, you wrote that like I have a hateboner for nazis just because I used the word "nazi".
Volker41
Nusoicaca
Read Acts 17:26, there is a reason why Christians were some of the first racialists, and there's also a reason why so many Christians were National Socialists.
Not only that but you should read First Thessalonians 2:14-15 and also read Revelations 2:9 and 3:9 as they show that the jews are evil and are not the chosen people, and are instead the synagogue of satan.
Not only that, but while you're at it read Matthew 4:15 and Matthew 21:11 simce it proves that our Lord Jesus Christ was Galilean, not a jew.
Not only that but just because other races can have the same religion as yours doesn't mean you should fill your homeland with foreigners and end your race just because some foreigners happen to have the same religion.
God wants the best for all people and humans are best organized in Nations where they are next to those who are related by blood, history and soil.
Volker41
Nusoicaca
If you truly believe in National Socialism then you should not use the term "nazi" or anything similar.
The term "nazi" is a leftist slur created by judeo-bolsheviks in order to insult us.
Anyone who unironically calls themselves a "nazi" is either extremely naive or an actual federal agent trying to subvert the movement.
Hagon
So obsess with me mang
All I said was that I don't really hate them, doesn't mean I am one And nazi is a funny word, I'm not going to stop saying it..
Nihilma
/caca/borean
Acts 17 talks about nations, as a concept that comes directly from the AT, where many times Israel is opposed to "the nations". Moreover, even if we accept the translations that talk about race, please point to me where it states that some races are superior to other races, rather than equal to one another.
First, you are completely misremembering the verses of revelations, as both 2:9 and 3:9 say exactly "those who claim to be Jews and are not, but rather are members of the assembly of Satan". Then, while true that the Jews were the ones to crucify Jesus, as stated in multiple passages throughout the NT such as 1 peter 2:24, romans 5, by jesus himself in luke 9:22, and as hinted at in the OT in Esaiah 53 for example, the Jews NEEDED to curcify Christ and Christ needed to die unjustly in order for salvation to occur.
In fact, Jesus says as much : that "salvation is of the Jews" in John 4:22.
And their actions rendered them unjust, but their actions also openned the door for them to receive salvation as well. The Jews unknowingly brought salvation for the world, because God's justice was meant to pass through the Jews to the nations. That's why Paul says in romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one who believeth, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.", and in romans 2:9 "There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile".
God's covenent passed through the Jews onto the Church, but the Jews are not discarded. Matter of fact, the first people to receive the gospel in Acts 2:14-41 are Jews, during Passover. And 3000 of those Jews got baptized. So Jews can receive salvation, and they were the first to do so, with the first non-Jew to convert being believed to be Cornelius the roman officer, in Acts 10.
Hatred of the Jews is completely unbiblical, first and foremost because hatred in itself is a grave sin, as stated in Galatians 5:19-20 "The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions", but also because God still loves them, and some of them still love God, but they do not understand him, as stated in romans 10:1-4 "Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes."
So no, Jews are not evil in nature, or at least not anymore than the rest of humanity.
Do you even understand these verses ?
Matthew 4:15 talks about Zabulon and Nephtali, two of the 12 tribes of Israel which were coastal and trading tribes, and which are on the opposite side of Israel from where Jesus was born : in Judeah, bethlehem. Matthew 21:11 talks about Jesus of Nazareth, because that is were he grew, not where he was born.
Also, the distinction between galilean and jew is absurd, because not all jews come from Judah. The term jew was coined by romans when they established the province of Judeah around Jerusalem. They did not understand how Israel worked and thus decided that the people living in and around Jerusalem were "Jews".
People from Judeah, as well as from other tribes of Israel, called themselves "sons of Israel" until then.
So when people call other people in the NT jews, they do not refer to the tribe but to Israel, but when they talk about Galilea they talk about the region of Galilea which encompassed multiple other tribes.
And even if Jesus himself was not a Jew, his disciples all were, and the most prolific writer of the NT also was a Jew, and one with power and education by the Sanhedrin no less : Paul of tarsis.
I agree that immigration is unhealthy, both for the country of departure and the country of arrival.
However, the fight of different races is unbiblical, the superiority of one race over another is unbiblical, and as said above, a christian finds his identity in Christ, not in race.
A lot of Patristic Fathers were black and Africans, some arabs, a lot Jewish, of course, and there are a lot more christians in Africa then in the modern West which is abandonning faith.
If race is a thing, no christian should care about.
If you are christian, you are no more my brother because of your colour of skin than the black christians I meet with every week to pray with and read the Bible.
God certainly wants the best for everyone, but I don't think he cares about blood.
Immigration is unhealthy, but obsession over race is as much
Alextremo2TheMax
2024 oldGOD
chudcel larp
Volker41
Nusoicaca
jews are evil, please read "On the jews and their lies" by Martin Luther and watch Europa the Last Battle and also read Mein Kamp.
The truth is that they are an evil race and they were the ones that killed Jesus Christ, the jew is the devil in human form.
One can see how evil the jews are just by looking at their actions and what they promote.
The jews are behind marxism, the LGBTQ movement, the CIA and US zog governments and all other degenerate anti-White movements.
They are also responsible for zionism and for the death of millions of Palestinians, including women and children
Nihilma
/caca/borean
I base myself on scriptural grounds.
Martin Luther is not a saint, he can do mistakes.
If you call yourself a christian, you should focus on the Bible and the patristic tradition.
The Bible is the word of God, it has authority over anything else, and I think I provided good scriptural evidence that the Bible doesn't consider Jews to be evil, nor that it considers any race to be inferior or superior, and Jesus is the messiah that came to save both the Jew and the Gentille. That Jews are the devil is not scriptural, nor found in tradition.
Also, calling the whole of Judaism and all Jews as promoters of degeneracy is an absurdity when you understand modern judaism.
Orthodox Jews for example, while being the most hostile towards christians usually, despise degeneracy as much as christians and muslims do, because they are very adamant on respecting the written law of Leviticus.
Conservative Jews the likes of Ben Shapiro, while being less religious than the Orthodox cast, are way friendlier to christians, while still mostly despising degeneracy, and then you have reform Jews who mostly don't even believe in God anymore and are overwhelmingly leftists. These people are also usually indistinguishable from your average white atheist because they're most likely Ashkenazis with european roots.
But these people are not more evil than your average non-jewish white atheist or pagan.
There's a youtube channel I like called "So be it", which is run by messianic jews in Israel (christian converts from judaism), who preach the gospel to Jews in Israel, and they aren't well received everywhere, as you can imagine.
Also, small tangeant, but not all jews are zionists, and in the land of obsessed burgers, there's quite a number of orthodox Jews who completely oppose the existence of Israel, because they interpret OT prophecies in a way that makes them believe Israel should not come back yet.
The error of Hitler is to consider Jews as a hivemind with a single intent and motivation. They are not.
