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baqqrih said:
>It's in our best materialist interest.
>You really thought I was calling it a materialist interest?
I don't think I'm understanding this.
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You're latching onto some connotation around the word "materialist" and trying to pretend the benefit of supporting israel is just more coca cola or something
 
Alextremo2TheMax said:
You're latching onto some connotation around the word "materialist" and trying to pretend the benefit of supporting israel is just more coca cola or something
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I'd like to understand your definition of the term. I'm basing my support off of a religious perspective, so my original comment was trying to express that we're going to differ between materialism and spirituality in our arguments because we're in the "Bible Study Verses General" thread and you're trying to argue for supporting the State of Israel on non-religious grounds.
 
baqqrih said:
I'd like to understand your definition of the term. I'm basing my support off of a religious perspective, so my original comment was trying to express that we're going to differ between materialism and spirituality in our arguments because we're in the "Bible Study Verses General" thread and you're trying to argue for supporting the State of Israel on non-religious grounds.
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I think he meant to use the world "material interests", as material and spiritual interests aren't necessarily mutually exclusive (unless I'm just wrong, correct me if so). It is a material interest to get a well paying job but that doesn't make it spiritually damning, nor is it a bad justification for pursuing a well paying job.
Don't take me as me agreeing with this or the other, just trying to introduce some clarity
 
baqqrih said:
I'd like to understand your definition of the term. I'm basing my support off of a religious perspective, so my original comment was trying to express that we're going to differ between materialism and spirituality in our arguments because we're in the "Bible Study Verses General" thread and you're trying to argue for supporting the State of Israel on non-religious grounds.
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If I were to flagellate myself for three days that would probably be great for me spiritually, but in a "materialist" sense I would probably get suffer massive bloodloss, an infection or toxic shock or something horrible that could kill me. If you're talking about coming up with a decision on which action to take in the physical world with respect to a spiritual foundation, you can't just ignore certain facts of the matter and wave it away because "it's material"
 
Spasoje's Revenge said:
I think he meant to use the world "material interests", as material and spiritual interests aren't necessarily mutually exclusive (unless I'm just wrong, correct me if so). It is a material interest to get a well paying job but that doesn't make it spiritually damning, nor is it a bad justification for pursuing a well paying job.
Don't take me as me agreeing with this or the other, just trying to introduce some clarity
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Oh, that clears it up. I was confused.
Alextremo2TheMax said:
If I were to flagellate myself for three days that would probably be great for me spiritually, but in a "materialist" sense I would probably get suffer massive bloodloss, an infection or toxic shock or something horrible that could kill me. If you're talking about coming up with a decision on which action to take in the physical world with respect to a spiritual foundation, you can't just ignore certain facts of the matter and wave it away because "it's material"
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That still doesn't help your argument here because, to a Christian, spiritual matters should come before the material even as material matters can be perceived as important. What I comprehend is that, in the case that the State of Israel acts as an ally to the American state's foreign policy (something to debate in and of itself, but not the topic we're bickering over), including our fuel prices and so on, it still bases that support from the American public on doctrinal lies where its statehood falsely claims to hold an importance in Christianity, when it really doesn't, as was the standard doctrine of Christianity, east to west, before the nineteenth century, where an "Israel" constructed out of disbelievers in God is not of the same as the Israel, which is us, the followers of Christ, who is our God. So, as I was pointing out, if you care about the American state's foreign policy as the thing you find most important in this topic, that's where we're going to differ, because I instead care for my religious interests.
 
baqqrih said:
That still doesn't help your argument here because, to a Christian, spiritual matters should come before the material even as material matters can be perceived as important. What I comprehend is that, in the case that the State of Israel acts as an ally to the American state's foreign policy (something to debate in and of itself, but not the topic we're bickering over), including our fuel prices and so on, it still bases that support from the American public on doctrinal lies where its statehood falsely claims to hold an importance in Christianity, when it really doesn't, as was the standard doctrine of Christianity, east to west, before the nineteenth century, where an "Israel" constructed out of disbelievers in God is not of the same as the Israel, which is us, the followers of Christ, who is our God. So, as I was pointing out, if you care about the American state's foreign policy as the thing you find most important in this topic, that's where we're going to differ, because I instead care for my religious interests.
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What the 60yo boomers quote as their reason for supporting israel has nothing to do with the topic on whether or not you should support israel. Even if you completely disregard the material reasons to support them I don't know why you would be so against helping israel considering their primary adversaries are muslim theocracies and islamist extremist groups, who are quite measurably the bigger threat in both a material and spiritual sense.
 
Alextremo2TheMax said:
What the 60yo boomers quote as their reason for supporting israel has nothing to do with the topic on whether or not you should support israel. Even if you completely disregard the material reasons to support them I don't know why you would be so against helping israel considering their primary adversaries are muslim theocracies and islamist extremist groups, who are quite measurably the bigger threat in both a material and spiritual sense.
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We might just agree to disagree at this point, then, because I'm convinced that either state, both those of the Muslims and the state of the Jews, is opposed to Christianity, but you are only convinced that one of those two are, and we aren't going to change each other's minds any further than what progress we've already made right now. Still, I understand how you think that is true, and I respect your process of thinking.
 
baqqrih said:
We might just agree to disagree at this point, then, because I'm convinced that either state, both those of the Muslims and the state of the Jews, is opposed to Christianity, but you are only convinced that one of those two are, and we aren't going to change each other's minds any further than what progress we've already made right now. Still, I understand how you think that is true, and I respect your process of thinking.
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Yeah I don't know. It seems there would be literally nothing I could show you to make you think otherwise if your metric is a binary of "which is definitionally incorrect as per the nicene creed", that seems like an incredibly limiting methodology for foreign policy analysis.
 

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