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whatever, just don't expect anyone takes OP seriously, there's nothing more cringe than some kid parroting atheist gags such as muh spaghetti monster.
Discussion I am an anti-theist, ama
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WH15KeY
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I'm turning 22 on May 12th. You have no right to call me a kid.
WH15KeY
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Well, I have always been an inquisitive person. If I didn't understand something, I would research it. My parents taught me this.
Religion in my case only harmed my mental state. The fear of going to hell was an ever-present obsession for me as a young boy. Once I started to research atheism, it was a natural fit for me.
Religion was of no utility to me, and it also had no logical basis in reality. I have no interest in auguring over the existence of God. Such discussions are fruitless. What I wish to bring to the spotlight is an in depth examination on the danger of indoctrination.
WH15KeY
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Um, how is the germane to the topic?
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WH15KeY
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I do not understand.
For once I agree. It’s what pushed me away from Christianity as it was constantly in the back of my mind since early childhood. Parents should refrain discussing the concept of hell until their kids are way older. Not when they’re barely able to talk.
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Nihilma
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Great mindset, but a lot of people from the older generations never grew into learning to do this, so it's quite normal to see boomers hold opinions they haven't actually researched very well.
That is your choice, you are very much free to hold discussions or to abstrain from them in whatever way you want. I'll just say this : In the orthodox (Not as in eastern orthodox but as in "true doctrine") christian view, the fear of hell is the result of a misunderstanding of the doctrine, as through the understanding of it there can logically be no fear coming out of it.
Unfortunately, in most culturally christian households who are religious only in name or who are religious without researching their faith, this happens a lot. An awful lot. I am sorry to hear that.
I have heard and known of hell since my very childhood. I was a bit confused by it, but I interested myself in theology from a very young age and found satisfactory answers in my searches. But since OP dont seem to wanna talk about it I'm not gonna go into details
That is a very dangerous discussion. Not because you put into question the existence of something that has been held true for most of humanity's history, but because one is very prone to claim their current state to be enlightened, and their past self to be indoctrinated, when you, or I, could very much still be indoctrinated. After all you realize your indoctrination only once you've grown past it. In short, be doubtful of yourself at all time, but don't be too hasty in affirming something to be indoctrination.
As crazy as it may sound to you, christianity for me is a choice, not a thoughtless default belief. I have left the faith for a good while, I came back to it. But I am still questionning myself and pondering the veracity of my faith. I very much like theology doe.
Can you elab on this? I know some Christians don’t believe in hell as a place of eternal torture, but simply an eternal separation from God.
Nihilma
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Both are the exact same thing, there is literally no difference between the two, as in theology, the state of separation from God is what causes suffering.
Hell in the bible is described as "being far away from God".
The fire and the screams are always images, metaphors used to describe the state of the soul, which is both suffering from the separation from the absolute and only good thing there is : God, and from the internal pain caused by the absence of repentance. From jewish scholars to the Church Fathers, all have understoof it that way. That hell is a physical real place where there is fire is something that was invented by medieval peasants. The soul, creation of the absolute pure, craves the absolute pure. There is nothing more painful than being cut from that.
Hell is not a place you are sent because of your bad actions, it is a place you send yourself to by your refusal to repent. C.S. Lewis wrote a very famous phrase on the subject :
"The gates of hell are locked from the inside". In short, God cannot bear sin, and that which bears sin cannot be close to him. The message of the gospel is that everyone sins, that no one can save himself and that thus all are destined to hell because of our own unrepentent nature. The christian faith is to say that the only way for us to be purified in our nature and soul is for something to take our guilt and to suffer the consequences in our stead, if we accept it.
Those who go to hell are simply those who refuse the free payment given to them. Its not a punishment. It's simply what should happen to everyone in the first place
If you have the slightest understanding of christianity you know who is supposed to have done that : Jesus.
In short, if you accept the payment of Christ, in christian theology, you are saved. Sure, you will sin again, but as long as in your heart you repent, which both an attitude and an act, no sin can ever send you to hell. Repentence is important because if you sin and don't repent, then it's basically throwing the payment of Christ away, or refusing it. Repentence is synonymous to accepting Christ's payment for your sins.
I sin like every day, but even as I sin, I know in my heart I've done something wrong and I honestly feel terrible about it. This is already repentence. Sure, I will later ask for forgiveness in prayer, but my heart already is mourning for my own sin. As said, it is an attitude.
So as long as I simply accept Jesus, there is no reason in my mind to ever question myself about whether I'll go to hell or not. I know I will never, because something else has done it for me.
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he found it on some chud life website he told me
Nihilma
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In pure evolutionnary terms, the human is simply an animal, preoccupied with xyr own interests.
Whatever good means, if it involves altruism and selflessness, humans can't be that.
The first and purest sin is after all egoism. And all animals are egoists. I'd agree with you
WH15KeY
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We should we give those theologies more respect than the thousands of other theologies? That question is not meant to be inflammatory in any way.
