Discussion How did countries legalize homosexuality?

[Bobr]

Le gays were a huge deal back in ancient and medieval Iran. It was the gayest land that I can recall in history. Many of our great poets liked sexing boys. You can find a lot of gay songs and poetry from the Islamic period of our history. While it was considered a sin, it wasn't as taboo as it is now. You could be a devout muslim and still sex boys just like how you can be a devout muslim and lie eventho it's a sin. (It was considered a greater sin than lying thougheverbeit)
I remember reading that a persian soyentist tried to find a cure for all this gayness and actually found one. He basically concluded that the reason some boys really liked getting fucked was because of a part of body in the ass (I think he was talking about the g spot or whatever) being bigger than it usually should be. So he prescribed some herbal medicines to his gay patients to make that part of their body smaller. I don't know how effective it was though.
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I also have to add that homosexuality back then was very different to today. It was closer to pedophilia than modern homosexuality since the bottoms were usually young and liked because of their feminine features.
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Maybe it was a more common practice among the higher class? Kind of like pedophillia in our times. I doubt it was common or accepted in the general populous of the empires. I don't want to search through google, but I know that the ottoman empire didn't legalize homosexuality until like the 18th century

 

[Aedra]

Maybe it was a more common practice among the higher class? Kind of like pedophillia in our times. I doubt it was common or accepted in the general populous of the empires. I don't want to search through google, but I know that the ottoman empire didn't legalize homosexuality until like the 18th century

Some Ottoman Sultans were notorious for committing pederasty with little Greek boys, so yes it was a thing for the higher classes I imagine.

 

[Aedra]

Le gays were a huge deal back in ancient and medieval Iran. It was the gayest land that I can recall in history. Many of our great poets liked sexing boys. You can find a lot of gay songs and poetry from the Islamic period of our history. While it was considered a sin, it wasn't as taboo as it is now. You could be a devout muslim and still sex boys just like how you can be a devout muslim and lie eventho it's a sin. (It was considered a greater sin than lying thougheverbeit)
I remember reading that a persian soyentist tried to find a cure for all this gayness and actually found one. He basically concluded that the reason some boys really liked getting fucked was because of a part of body in the ass (I think he was talking about the g spot or whatever) being bigger than it usually should be. So he prescribed some herbal medicines to his gay patients to make that part of their body smaller. I don't know how effective it was though.
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I also have to add that homosexuality back then was very different to today. It was closer to pedophilia than modern homosexuality since the bottoms were usually young and liked because of their feminine features.
Thanks for reading my gayass ted talk. Hopefully you can now disrespect faggots more effectively as a more knowledgeable man.

Also one thing I'm wondering. Would this same thing be tolerated in Zoroastrian Ancient Persia? I've read Zoroastrianism considers homosexuality a form of demon worship so I was thinking they'd be horrified.

 

[Aedra]

>If I am not entitled to have a wife than women are not entitled to not being raped
< He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
>Sodomites should burn at the stake
<I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners and need to repent.

I see you've already begun tranny reacting some of my messages, be they related or not to anything political or faith-related.
Good luck !
It's my exam day so I won't be as active. Sorry

Now that I've calmed down I wanna respond to this again.

I do realize that I went too far in saying sodomites should burn at the stake, (although I still think there should be some form of legal punishment for it) however the main point I was trying to convey by saying you're a hippie was the fact that you're letting sympathy for someone develop into receptivity for their ideas. Have as much sympathy as you want for homosexuals, that's fine. But the moment you let that sympathy develop into accepting their ideas is the moment you also sin. You cannot truly be a Christian and say that homosexuality should be legal/government should let them live together or whatever. The secular government MUST let the church have superiority on moral matters. And this is one of those matters. Ideally a sodomite should repent and never commit said sin ever again. But I'll never ever let them live as they desire. Never.

 

[JC Denton]

Maybe it was a more common practice among the higher class? Kind of like pedophillia in our times. I doubt it was common or accepted in the general populous of the empires. I don't want to search through google, but I know that the ottoman empire didn't legalize homosexuality until like the 18th century

It was common between common men. Thanks to the fact that the persian language hasn't changed that much I can read first account history by myself and without someone translating and changing it to apeal to their ideology. It was frowned upon but it was still practiced from sufis and dervishes to common people to kings and courtmen. Herodotus says that the persians learned sexing boys from greeks so it's safe to assume this culture started from the achaemenids and became more common and accepted by people as time passed but it was still considered le bad before islam since it was at odds with the ancient aryan's (the actual historic ones) family structures which was still present in society. You can read from abbassid caliphate to safavid texts about homosexuality and how it was practiced, the facts aren't really hidden or censored by anyone.
Somethings like drinking wine and alcohol was also practiced commonly. But again it was frowned upon but there were still taverns that sold drinks to muslims. But these things were different from place to place. For example you can read from Hafez that because Shiraz's ruler wanted to gain the support of the clergy he started a ban on alcohol and closed all taverns that sold them and Hafez was really mad about it because he though the ruler and the clergy were hypocrites and banning alcohol was at odd with "freedom" or whatever.

Also one thing I'm wondering. Would this same thing be tolerated in Zoroastrian Ancient Persia? I've read Zoroastrianism considers homosexuality a form of demon worship so I was thinking they'd be horrified.

No it wouldn't be tolerated by them but as I mentioned above people still did it.

 

[Nihilma]

Now that I've calmed down I wanna respond to this again.

I do realize that I went too far in saying sodomites should burn at the stake, (although I still think there should be some form of legal punishment for it) however the main point I was trying to convey by saying you're a hippie was the fact that you're letting sympathy for someone develop into receptivity for their ideas. Have as much sympathy as you want for homosexuals, that's fine. But the moment you let that sympathy develop into accepting their ideas is the moment you also sin. You cannot truly be a Christian and say that homosexuality should be legal/government should let them live together or whatever. The secular government MUST let the church have superiority on moral matters. And this is one of those matters. Ideally a sodomite should repent and never commit said sin ever again. But I'll never ever let them live as they desire. Never.

Yeah, that might be my french bias honestly.
I've grown in a culture that separated law from religion a long time ago.

And I've also held the position for a long time that God allows people to sin, in the way that he lets people chose whether they wanna follow him or not. And thus, I've held that as long as sin doesn't interfer with your neighbour, the other, then as Romans 1:27 say these people have already "‭receiv[ed] in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." Aka they've been both punished by nature and will be punished at the end of times for their deeds.

I don't see the necessity in acting on governmental laws for it, as long of course as their sinful actions have consequences on themselves and just on themselves. Who are we to forbid a man from destroying his own life if he wants to ?

Again, might be my french bias, I'm just explaining how I've always viewed things.
I'm always opened to criticism.

 

[Nihilma]

The only case in which yeah sure I might see the problem, is if it gets proven that homosexuality is in fact purely nurtur and not nature, meaning not biological but an educational problem, and that allowing homosexuality to be expressed increases the chances of young people becoming homosexuals.

If that gets proven true, then yeah I'd agree with you 100%

 

[Nihilma]

Ig if I lived in a country like the byzantine empire or medieval france, I'd be of a different mind though, since state and Church would not have separated then
Everything's just so complicated nowadays

 

[Aedra]

Ig if I lived in a country like the byzantine empire or medieval france, I'd be of a different mind though, since state and Church would not have separated then
Everything's just so complicated nowadays

That's how I work by the way. I reject modern ideas entirely, ideologically I'm basically a medieval peasant. That's why I don't even care about this whole church-state separation thing. Everything in the west after the French Revolution is worthless for me.

 

[X Immigrant]

I don't think it has much to do with genetics. If you check stats you'll realize that each newer generation has more people identifying as LGBT. With Gen Z having the most LGBT "people". It's called indoctrination. You tell people they can be something and many will be that thing, especially if it's popular. It's just mob mentality.

Ok, indoctrination perhaps, but this doesn't disprove the idea. I do know there are a lot of fakers but actual faggots are much more common as well as the fakers.

 

[Aedra]

Ok, indoctrination perhaps, but this doesn't disprove the idea. I do know there are a lot of fakers but actual faggots are much more common as well as the fakers.

Well even if there are, I think having urges in itself isn't a sin obviously. The sin is acting on them, that's why we call it temptations of the flesh after all. The issue only starts when they act on it. Father Seraphim Rose was a gay man in his youth, but after converting to the Russian Orthodox faith, he described his previous life as "hell". And he's widely venerated in slavic Orthodox lands as a saint, even if he isn't officially one yet. You should read all his books if you haven't yet btw, there's some prophecy tier stuff there.

 

[Nihilma]

Well even if there are, I think having urges in itself isn't a sin obviously. The sin is acting on them, that's why we call it temptations of the flesh after all. The issue only starts when they act on it. Father Seraphim Rose was a gay man in his youth, but after converting to the Russian Orthodox faith, he described his previous life as "hell". And he's widely venerated in slavic Orthodox lands as a saint, even if he isn't officially one yet. You should read all his books if you haven't yet btw, there's some prophecy tier stuff there.
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There's still this one verse in Matthew that's a bit against the idea that urges themselves aren't sinful, at least depending on what you call "urge" ig.
‭Matthew 5:28
"but I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

If for you "urge" means "thinking about it", ig there's a problem. But ig you didn't mean it that way, right ? Although it's impossible for the human mind to actually prevent a thought from appearing in the mind, Ig it just means you should not fantasize on it, and then "acting upon the urge" would include letting the thought in your head grow and fantasizing about it.

There's a great quote from Martin Luther about this. He's not a saint but he still had some wisdom : “You cannot prevent the birds from flying in the air over your head, but you can certainly prevent them from building a nest in your hair.”

 

[Aedra]

Although it's impossible for the human mind to actually prevent a thought from appearing in the mind, Ig it just means you should not fantasize on it, and then "acting upon the urge" would include letting the thought in your head grow and fantasizing about it.

That's what I meant, yes.

 

[BLACKHAWK]

ing homosexuality is fine? I wonder how the people who passed the laws would feel if their son did it. Basically killing his future in every way possible, and ruining morals

some races have cuckhold feitsh like white people ar ecuuckhold

 

[BLACKHAWK]

Hagon is cuckhold.

 

[BLACKHAWK]

Hagon likes that shlong in her whore girlfriend

 

[BLACKHAWK]

Hagon is woman who likes to be cuckqueened.

 

[SoytanEnthusiast]

I don't think it has much to do with genetics. If you check stats you'll realize that each newer generation has more people identifying as LGBT. With Gen Z having the most LGBT "people". It's called indoctrination. You tell people they can be something and many will be that thing, especially if it's popular. It's just mob mentality.

The Armenians were not called that due to any homo reasons albeit. They were given that name Millet-i Sadıka because the Armenians did not rebel against the Ottomans when all the other Christian minorities were. In some ways this led to the Ottomans briefly treating the Armenians very well. Shame Turks and Armenians hate each other now.

I just said that people in the general caucasus region were liked geg don't misunderstand

 

[soybwc123]

Idk why fags can't be fags, some random nigga taking it up the ass isn't gonna destroy the moral fabric of society. As long as the ideas aren't pushed on people it's fine.

 

[X Immigrant]

some random nigga taking it up the ass isn't gonna destroy the moral fabric of society.

This is the same argument pedophiles use.