thread_prefix.19 General christian thread

[GemersonLakeAndPalmer]

I don't have any Ugandan in particular. But I do have a video of I think Kenyan Orthodox Chanting. It's not specified where this is from but Kenya is the one country in Africa with a lot of Eastern Orthodox Christians so I'm just assuming it's from there.

The only country I can think of that fits the bill is Ethiopia, but they are Ethiopian Orthodox, not Eastern Orthodox.

 

[Aedra]

The only country I can think of that fits the bill is Ethiopia, but they are Ethiopian Orthodox, not Eastern Orthodox.

Yeah I didn't mean to say Kenya is Orthodox majority. There's no Eastern Orthodox majority country in Africa. I meant to say there's more Eastern Orthodox in Kenya as opposed to everywhere else in Africa. Estimates say something in between 600k to 1 million of them.

 

[AshkeNazi]

The only country I can think of that fits the bill is Ethiopia, but they are Ethiopian Orthodox, not Eastern Orthodox.

egypt and eritrea also have relatively large oriental orthodox populations

 

[DonutHole]

I don't have any Ugandan in particular. But I do have a video of I think Kenyan Orthodox Chanting. It's not specified where this is from but Kenya is the one country in Africa with a lot of Eastern Orthodox Christians so I'm just assuming it's from there.

le based negros o algo

 

[baqqrih]

@DonutHole We can discuss it here.

 

[DonutHole]

@DonutHole We can discuss it here.

Why do you not follow the church that Jesus founded?

 

[baqqrih]

Why do you not follow the church that Jesus founded?

I do believe that I am following the church that Jesus founded, as I believe that Christ's sacrifice is what has taken away my hell punishment for my own sins, so I am a part of his believers, the church. What church in particular are you referring to?

 

[DonutHole]

I do believe that I am following the church that Jesus founded, as I believe that Christ's sacrifice is what has taken away my hell punishment for my own sins, so I am a part of his believers, the church. What church in particular are you referring to?

The Catholic church.

 

[baqqrih]

The Catholic church.

Why do you think the Catholic church is Christ's church? Is there scripture to help me understand this?

 

[DonutHole]

Why do you think the Catholic church is Christ's church? Is there scripture to help me understand this?

matthew 16:18

 

[Aedra]

Daily reminder that evolution is fake and gay and the earth is not more than 7500 or so years old at most. Also my ancestors were not monkeys. Do evolutionists feel nostalgic when they stare at apes?

 

[baqqrih]

matthew 16:18

Do you think that modern Catholicism follows this intention by Christ? Is it really biblical to have this hierarchy in our churches? Let's look to Colossians so I can better explain my perspective. In description of the Lord Jesus Christ, it reads:
>And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.
Is Christ not the head of the church? What justification is there for man to lead the rest of the believers at such high authority? I was actually just reading First Peter recently, and this verse reminded me of why I think Catholicism is wrong in this view of how the church should function. Peter describes himself as the following:
>So I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, as well as a partaker in the glory that is going to be revealed:
He isn't saying "I'm the infallible leader of the church of Christ", he's calling himself a fellow elder, a man equal to his brethren.

 

[baqqrih]

Do evolutionists feel nostalgic when they stare at apes?

They appreciate the company of those with an equivalent level of critical thought.

 

[baqqrih]

@DonutHole I'm going to go to bed for tonight, as I'd like to attend church service tomorrow without drowsiness, but I do like what we've discussed so far. Thank you, and good night. Lord bless you.

 

[DonutHole]

@DonutHole I'm going to go to bed for tonight, as I'd like to attend church service tomorrow without drowsiness, but I do like what we've discussed so far. Thank you, and good night. Lord bless you.

gn

 

[DonutHole]

Daily reminder that evolution is fake and gay and the earth is not more than 7500 or so years old at most. Also my ancestors were not monkeys. Do evolutionists feel nostalgic when they stare at apes?

Why did God give Adam nipples doe

 

[Spas]

I have already written about this on X Immigrant's thread if you remember. But basically the position of Orthodoxy on this is not clear cut and that's normal because Eastern Orthodoxy does not attempt to explain more than what has been clearly revealed to us. All I can say *for sure* is the following : salvation is found within the Orthodox Church first and foremost and an Orthodox Christian who betrays Orthodoxy will be damned forever. But beyond that I cannot say where salvation is or isn't found in. Our Lord is a merciful God, we can say that He knows what to do and that we should leave this matter to Him instead of making a dogma around it. So the best I can say is, I hope different people will be saved too but I cannot say for sure whether they will be saved or not. That's up to the Lord. It is always like this within Eastern Orthodoxy when it comes to matters that have not been explicitly revealed to us, there are some things only God can know.

I pondered on this some time ago, I arrived at the conclusion that salvation must only be found in the Orthodox Church
As my reasoning goes, if salvation can be found outside of the Church then what's the Church here for? It's the same as when someone says "You don't have to be a Christian to go to heaven you just have to be a good person" this line of thought renders Christ unnecessary, I would even say superfluous. What's the point of his incarnation and descent to hades if anyone could be saved without it? I think a similar situation arises when talking about salvation outside of the Church, if the Church isn't necessary it's superfluous. If one can be saved outside of the Church what's the point of the Church? What's the point of the Holy Mysteries? If someone can be saved outside of the Orthodox Church how far does it go? How severe of a heretic can someone be while maintaining his salvation? It seems to me to be an irreconcilable position.
Then again, I'm a layman, a mortal. It doesn't matter how things seem to me. I'm not a Catholic, I'm under no delusion that my "reasoning" could pin down the divine. Salvation is to whomever God grants it to, it is no place for me to debate, I just thought the line of thinking was interesting

 

[Aedra]

@Nihilma here's a video about the archbishop of the Greek Church in America. This man is basically a CIA agent dressed in fancy robes, you will find yourself fully agreeing with me once you watch it.

Additionally, the pattern of the patriarchs in Constantinople being subverted has been a thing for at least a century. This schism was already coming.

I have more, but even from these alone any sane man who looks at this from the Orthodox perspective can realize that the Greeks are in the wrong.

 

[baqqrih]

I have more, but even from these alone any sane man who looks at this from the Orthodox perspective can realize that the Greeks are in the wrong.

I'm looking at this from a Protestant perspective and this Archbishop guy sounds like an insane freak. Utter heresy.

 

[Aedra]

I'm looking at this from a Protestant perspective and this Archbishop guy sounds like an insane freak. Utter heresy.

The Patriarch of Constantinople, Bartholomew, is unfortunately not much better. I don't take issue with the ordinary believers within the Greek Church but their leaders are.. Subverted. It's all planned, they serve satan. This is why Moscow Patriarchate is right.