thread_prefix.19 General christian thread

Are you Orthodox yourself or did you just get the opportunity?
A friend invited me there for his chrismation, which happened today as it is pentecost in the eastern world rn.
I am not orthodox, but I certainly am not far from it.
But I could say the same for my position on catholics. I much prefer the mariology of orthodoxy, got no problems with saints and icons, but I have a lot of problems with some parts of their theology, and so do I with catholics.
 
Is dancing around in Amerindian garb that has Christian symbolism, beating drums with saints engraved on them, before a giant flower adorned statue of Mary heretical?
 
if you haven't read the entire bible in it's original languages you're larping btw
I read chunks of the New Testament (parts of the gospel of John and revelations) in my shitty Greek and can confirm that there isn't much that you miss out on by reading a translation (as long as its a good translation and a not a shit version). I also learned some Hebrew, but I can't read much besides some parts of Genesis.

If you don't already own a physical Bible, I recommend getting the Orthodox study Bible since it uses the Septuagint for the OT, and the Byzantine text-type for the NT.
 
Man, looking back on them, I really miss the conversations we were having in this thread back in May.
 
@Aedra If you're up for it (and if you're currently online), do you have any topics of religion that have been on your mind recently? I'd love to talk about something tonight before I head to bed.
 
@Aedra If you're up for it (and if you're currently online), do you have any topics of religion that have been on your mind recently? I'd love to talk about something tonight before I head to bed.
Sure. If God doesn’t interfere directly with the universe, why do Christians pray for a miracle to happen to their loved ones?
 
Sure. If God doesn’t interfere directly with the universe, why do Christians pray for a miracle to happen to their loved ones?
Well, I'd say God does directly interfere with the universe. He always has. How would you define "directly"?
 
Well, I'd say God does directly interfere with the universe. He always has. How would you define "directly"?
Changing the outcome of something by intervening personally. Like a person is about to die, but God decided to let them live.
 
Changing the outcome of something by intervening personally. Like a person is about to die, but God decided to let them live.
Then, yes, God certainly does directly intervene in things, since it's by His ultimate will that things do or don't occur.
 
Sure. If God doesn’t interfere directly with the universe, why do Christians pray for a miracle to happen to their loved ones?
The argument from divine hiddenness yes.
This is fundamentally a debate around free will / determinism / divine providence / destiny I think.
If God acts, how will it impact free will ? Does his every action impact free will ?
I don't have a clear answer to this question ultimately.
Why does it seem that God acts differently in the Old Testament and in the New ? and in our time ? Has the human changed ? Has society or the approach to reality changed ? Has man become farther away from God or closer ?
 
@Aedra If you're up for it (and if you're currently online), do you have any topics of religion that have been on your mind recently? I'd love to talk about something tonight before I head to bed.
One thing that's always on my mind is how much I despise the lukewarm Christians of the west, even more than I despise those who do not believe. Someone who's lukewarm and willing to disregard set in stone dogma is more dangerous than someone who does not believe. It's essentially just an enemy within, someone who will contribute to subverting our values. I'd put Nihilma in this category, unfortunately.
 
One thing that's always on my mind is how much I despise the lukewarm Christians of the west, even more than I despise those who do not believe. Someone who's lukewarm and willing to disregard set in stone dogma is more dangerous than someone who does not believe. It's essentially just an enemy within, someone who will contribute to subverting our values. I'd put Nihilma in this category, unfortunately.
Yeah, there are a lot of those here, I see a lot in my school. I'd imagine you're referring to the type who wear crosses around their necks without believing in Christ, or those who hardly display any sort of good works even after proclaiming themselves believers in The Lord and his gift of salvation, yes? I am curious, why put Nihilma in this category? Perhaps it's my own unperception, but I never acknowledged signs of him being lukewarm.
 
The argument from divine hiddenness yes.
This is fundamentally a debate around free will / determinism / divine providence / destiny I think.
If God acts, how will it impact free will ? Does his every action impact free will ?
I don't have a clear answer to this question ultimately.
Why does it seem that God acts differently in the Old Testament and in the New ? and in our time ? Has the human changed ? Has society or the approach to reality changed ? Has man become farther away from God or closer ?
To me I find it unfair if that’s the case. Say two children are dying of cancer, but only one survives because their family prayed for him, while the other child dies because his family didn’t.
 
I am curious, why put Nihilma in this category? Perhaps it's my own unperception, but I never acknowledged signs of him being lukewarm.
1. He believes in evolution. Evolution is in fact nothing but a fairy tale and is incompatible with Christianity. He also takes his hypocrisy a step further and claims to be against racism while believing in evolution. This is another contradiction, a contradiction within a contradiction in fact. An evolutionary worldview is a necessarily racist one. If I believed in evolution I would cease to believe in Christ and instead I'd believe in Tengrism or some shit and I'd be a Turkic supremacist. Being anti-racist only makes sense if you believe in Creationism, otherwise it's essentially just denying reality. I'd be even more racist than weebhunter is if I believed in evolution.

2. He supports ecumenism. I am not interested in any cooperation between heretics. There's only one truth, one church. All the others are false to varying degrees.

3. He does not dislike the jews or judaism despite the fact that all of our saints and church fathers dislike them. Setting aside Eastern Orthodoxy, even medieval Catholic saints and of course Martin Luther himself hated the jews but he intentionally ignores this.

4. He has once stated here that he takes great pride in "being quite normal". Especially emphasizing how he does not hate jews, women or whatever. Christians are not supposed to be normal, we are supposed to be defiant towards social norms that go against our belief at every step of the way. This is basically him taking pride in being a good goy for his cucked secular society.

5. This is a fault I find within most western Christians but this man believes in rationalism more than he believes in Christ, there's always a sort of pseudo-intellectual aura surrounding his explanations of Christianity. He attempts to justify the faith to the world, to le science, le facts, bla bla bla. This is when a man relegates his religion to the second place in favor of worldly ideologies. Science should be subject to Christianity, not the other way around. If the findings of modern scientist cunts and their fairy tales contradict the faith, then to hell with their science. I'm not interested in reconciling the two, because they oppose each other.

6. He believes men and women are equal when they are in fact not equal. We are equal in Christ as said in Galatians 3:28 but not within this world, there is no such thing as equality in this world. The church fathers who speak about women's position within society imply no equality whatsoever. They say women are inferior to men without hesitation. Therefore that is the view I will have no matter how many modern cucks get offended by it. Sorry not sorry.
 
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