Freedom to Sin: The Invisible Shackle

Soygoy said:
@baqqrih What would you say to the idea that perhaps God is not a human?
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I'd say He is a human, since He is Jesus Christ, but just as Jesus entered the world as a human, He is also God, so He's both fully human and fully God. It's hard for us to understand because God transcends our capabilities of comprehension.
 
encrusting_acro said:
The earth is NOT six thousand years old. The 6000-year age of the world comes from an overly-literal reading of Genesis. Genesis was NOT supposed to be the literal account of the creation of the world. The original authors of the first few books in the Old Testament wrote them as fables, whether loosely based on fact or not. The creation story in Genesis are supposed to show that humanity's tendency to stray away from God has been there from the beginning.
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According to who? You? Every single Eastern Orthodox saint who spoke out about this matter defended young earth creationism and said we should interpret genesis as literal. You seem to have this weird misconception that taking genesis literally is exclusive to protestants. It is not. It's the proper Orthodox Christian stance. Additionally, the Copts and Ethiopians you admire so much also take the same stance, see for yourself.
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Aedra said:
According to who? You? Every single Eastern Orthodox saint who spoke out about this matter defended young earth creationism and said we should interpret genesis as literal. You seem to have this weird misconception that taking genesis literally is exclusive to protestants. It is not. It's the proper Orthodox Christian stance. Additionally, the Copts and Ethiopians you admire so much also take the same stance, see for yourself.
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Neftenya, I'm Catholic. And just because I may have different views than Copts and Tewahedos and Orthodox on some stuff doesn't mean I can't admire them
 
Aedra said:
According to who? You? Every single Eastern Orthodox saint who spoke out about this matter defended young earth creationism and said we should interpret genesis as literal. You seem to have this weird misconception that taking genesis literally is exclusive to protestants. It is not. It's the proper Orthodox Christian stance. Additionally, the Copts and Ethiopians you admire so much also take the same stance, see for yourself.
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>Bu eklenti desteklenmiyor
do not trust this nigger monkey
 
Weebhunter3000 said:
I never felt like I sensed God's presence even after going to church, praying, and reading the Bible. The more I tried the more frustrated I got and I slowly felt disassociated from my faith. And I don't think nationalism and race theory is compatible with Christian values.
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I gotchu, I know the feeling but I can't help wonder : what do you mean by "going to church, praying, reading the bible" ?
I feel like this is a trap that I fell into myself, to say that certain actions in faith inevitably should lead to a specific consequence, aka praying should lead to God at least giving me a feeling of his presence, as if God was merely a scientific law but in the spiritual realm.

It isn't really the case.
If you tried praying once or twice, went to church a few times and prayed from time to time when things went bad, were you really close enough to God to feel his presence ?
I know this sounds a bit pedantic if not fallacious, because you could ask stuff like "well what's close enough then ?".
It's true that no one will ever reach the perfection of Christ to begin with, so at what point are you close enough to God to feel him or see him in any way ?

I don't believe there is a "point". That's where I appreciate the Eastern Orthodox perspective of theosis, becoming close to God is a process, not a switch. There is no "point" where you suddenly become close to God, it's a continuous fight against yourself, a denial of yourself to reach closer to God.
At times, I myself feel very close to God and really do feel Him in a way that I cannot feel anything else. But during other times, when I'm in a cycle of sin and laziness when it comes to faith and interacting with God, I don't feel Him at all and it feels pretty bad.

So my question to you would be both what do you mean by doing this stuff, and also what should God do, if he did exist, in your mind ?
Should he show himself automatically when someone asks Him any sign, should he send a divine feeling everytime someone prays to Him ? What are your thoughts ?
 
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in life, we live in total and utter mystery. there is no truth.
so much so that i don't even think what i just said is true. everything is a matter of constant debate.
i had a really long text to explain this, but it needed to be cut down and summarized. there is and is not a god, religion is both correct and incorrect, our biggest questions to life are unknown.
i believe in mystery. knowing everything is boring. if we just had the answers to everything, it'd be fucking boring, i like living knowing that there are always questions left to be answered.
humans are typically afraid of the unknown, so religion is created to help deal with it, but the unknown is our biggest motivator.

some of our best inventions have come from retarded choices, foolish ideas, "what happens if i eat this?" for example. sometimes doing completely irrational things leads to great decisions, even if most of the time doing stupid ideas leads to death. but that is how we truly evolved and excelled in life, that is how neanderthals died out, (if they were even real to begin with) they were too reasonable. while we explored lands that should have never been explored, we went to space, we went to the arctic, we do very dangerous things, and we sacrifice our lives to discover great things.

i do not believe in christianity or a book that tells you how to live your life, i believe in taking risks and i believe in mystery, there is no reason as to why we are here, maybe there is a god, maybe there isn't, heaven or hell being real, none of it makes a difference, sometimes the most important things in life is the mundane, like what you are going to eat today, when you are going to sleep, how best to survive.

this is somehow the short version of everything i wrote down, but ultimately, it is best summarized like this, there is no truth, you have to discover things for yourself and make things matter to you, which is why people who believe in religions are parodoxically free thinkers and not, and so am i, because there is not even a truth to that either. somethings do contain an objective truth, however, like the earth is obviously round and mercury will kill you if you eat it, but ideas like whether a god does or doesn't exist cannot be directly proven and things that cannot be directly proven are NOT FALSE, they are just left to mystery, it's up to anyone to believe in it or disbelieve in it.

i'll finish this post off with a famous quote.
Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get.
 
>i do not believe in christianity or a book that tells you how to live your life
Fucking hell it's been two days that I keep writing about this [angry]

Also
>I believe in mystery
Everyone does, even religious people. We just disagree on where this mystery starts and ends. There are areas that are still to be explored in theology, implications that are still to be understood, puzzles that are still to be solved, and everyone agrees on this. You don't have to be an agnostic to believe those things.

Also
>Nietzsche
Achtung, krautnigger in diesen brot, bitte nicht interagieren.
 
Weebhunter3000 said:
I never felt like I sensed God's presence even after going to church, praying, and reading the Bible. The more I tried the more frustrated I got and I slowly felt disassociated from my faith. And I don't think nationalism and race theory is compatible with Christian values.
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Some people never feel it until they die, it's not unusual. Sometimes the best way to see God in your life is through other people doing good works for others and their community. It doesn't have to be through great acts of heroism or how many billions you send on pallets to Africa either. You can see Him in the father that plays with his children at the park, or when a friend calls you to ask how you are doing, or in the factory worker that never complains about his lot in life, or in the store owner who pays for an old woman's meal. They all embody something Good in that moment and speak the Gospel without saying a word.
 
Nihilma said:
>i do not believe in christianity or a book that tells you how to live your life
Fucking hell it's been two days that I keep writing about this [angry]

Also
>I believe in mystery
Everyone does, even religious people. We just disagree on where this mystery starts and ends. There are areas that are still to be explored in theology, implications that are still to be understood, puzzles that are still to be solved, and everyone agrees on this. You don't have to be an agnostic to believe those things.

Also
>Nietzsche
Achtung, krautnigger in diesen brot, bitte nicht interagieren.
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due to my nature, I tend to agree with what you said and also disagree with it at the same time. My religion is Schrodinger.
I still think religion is weird, but it's whatever. snca.
 
DOLL said:
Some people never feel it until they die, it's not unusual. Sometimes the best way to see God in your life is through other people doing good works for others and their community. It doesn't have to be through great acts of heroism or how many billions you send on pallets to Africa either. You can see Him in the father that plays with his children at the park, or when a friend calls you to ask how you are doing, or in the factory worker that never complains about his lot in life, or in the store owner who pays for an old woman's meal. They all embody something Good in that moment and speak the Gospel without saying a word.
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Although one must not assume that God cannot or doesn't interact in other extraordinary ways too.
But yeah to seek those things as if they were law is stupid, they are extraordinary for a reason. There is a quote of Gandalf in LOTR that goes with what you said imo :
"Saruman believes it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay"
 
Soygoy said:
due to my nature, I tend to agree with what you said and also disagree with it at the same time. My religion is Schrodinger
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>I'm gonna disagree with you because I CAN AND I WANT TO FUCK YOU
selfish little contrarian fuck in this thread DO. NOT. INTERACT.
 
Weebhunter3000 said:
There is still a problem. Let's say a guy rapes and kills his whole life up until the last 10 minutes before his death and repents to God. Do you think it's fair that he gets to go to heaven?
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Judgment is for the Lord alone; it's not up to me or anyone else. Jesus died and took upon all of our sins and still ascended to heaven, so I think reprobates, the suicidal, rapists, and others will be saved as well no matter what lives they lived. That's just my thought though.
 
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Repentance isn't just a formulla, you could say the Lord's prayer 6000 times on a 300 knot prayer rope every day and in your heart still be unrepentant, while also repenting truly by just weeping in your heart, without words.
That's the thing : God looks at the heart, not the wordy confessions of men.

If a guy kills and rapes and then repents outs of fear before his death moments later, is he truly repentant ?
 
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