Freedom to Sin: The Invisible Shackle

JC Denton said:
Also I think I could've worded this better. I meant it means that you are a selfish little fuck about your country and don't care if the world around you burns while your country's doing fine. Usually they are the cause of the world burning because of being so selfish.
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I’d say you’re wrong but I don’t wish to derail further.
 
baqqrih said:
Indeed! We are to care for what God has made, and one thing He created by His will are the nations of the world, through the generations that descended from Noah. So, if we're to care for what God made, we are to care for the nations of the world, caring for our people and our group. Now, I wonder what a good word for that is... ah, right! Nationalism.
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From the new testament: "there shall be neither Gentile nor Jew"

God never created the nations of the world; we created those ourselves after the scattering at the tower of Babel over two hundred thousand years of genetic isolation and occasional admixing
 
encrusting_acro said:
From the new testament: "there shall be neither Gentile nor Jew"

God never created the nations of the world; we created those ourselves after the scattering at the tower of Babel over two hundred thousand years of genetic isolation and occasional admixing
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Your misuse of Galatians 3:28 shows how much you know of what you speak. Don't worry, Black Lives Matter has misused this verse, too, so at least you're not alone. Not that I was expecting much from your knowledge, anyway, from what other times I've spoken with you regarding faith. That verse is purely eschatological. I hope you can dig up what that word means from the pile of garbage in your head that you call a mind; it means something relates to salvation, where we're going to end up, heaven or hell. It isn't as if you would know that it is purely talking about salvation, either, because you left half of it out when you've quoted it.
>There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
In that verse, Paul is saying that everyone who accepts Christ's gift gets to go to heaven. Not a particular group, but everyone, every human to live, every soul. That verse doesn't do anything to disprove what I'm saying, because I'm not denying that anyone can go to heaven if they accept Christ's gift. If anything, that verse actually helps me prove my point. By acknowledging that both Jews and Greeks exist as distinct peoples, it isn't at all denying that nations exist. God acknowledges the existence and intention of nations through this verse; that they do exist on Earth, and that they will all be with Him when he returns, no matter who they are. Now, as for Babel. Firstly, "two-hundred-thousand years"? Are you serious? The Earth has existed for roughly six-thousand years, maybe you could add a few hundred, maybe even one thousand if you want to get crazy with things, but saying anything above that many years is an abominable lie. If you are stating, without joking, that the Earth is older than even something as absurd as ten-thousand years, you're denying the faith, because there was no life or death before six-thousand years ago. There was no planet six-thousand years ago. There was nothing but God six-thousand years ago. I can only hope you're speaking in jest by making such an outrageous claim. Secondly, you say another absurd thing. The scattering of the nations was our doing, as humans? I just don't understand what you're saying here at all. We built the tower, we united ourselves into one collective, we tried to gather ourselves all up into one place instead of spreading across the planet, and God prevented that by dividing us up into nations and dispersing us across Earth. You speak, a man starving for erudition in his faith, yet you slap away any hand that tries to nourish you with that comprehension, that tries to tell you something true. You are a fool.
 
Soynic Hedgehog said:
Protestant is the opposite of a cult. Curches can be jewish and scheming though, its better to just cultivate your relationship with god personally
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Bogus assertions
Protestantism is nothing more than a butchery of Christianity. It exalts the individual to the level of the Church and replaces established tradition with always faulty personal interpretation. This is why "protestantism" is so fractured and why almost everything aside from the religion's very namesake is up for debate. "cultivating a relationship with God (you didn't even capitalize his name, you shmuck)" is not possible when one rejects all that God has provided us with to glorify him and be glorified in return. Christ came to establish a Church, which he did, and in this Church all of his teachings are infallibly preserved through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The very guidance of the Holy Spirit is what let the Church compile the Bible you fruitlessly try to extrapolate Christianity out of (After you rejected whichever books of it you didn't quite like). The Churches can be as corrupt as the individuals comprising them but the doctrine of the Church remains set in stone and unchanging, something that cannot be said for """protestantism""" which itself is a label for a loosely connected collection of heretics believing in whatever seems right to them, rather than what is right. God has provided us with all we need for salvation, not just the Bible (which alone has led many protestants to a multitude of differing heretical interpretation), he has provided us the Church, the 7 holy mysteries/sacraments, an unbroken chain of monks and priests preserving and dispersing the Church's teachings and wisdom. Christianity isn't a religion of 'everyone for himself, do whatever'. In a sense I would call protestantism a cult, a cult of egoistical hardheadedness, the delusion that one could be wiser than the Church.
 
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Spas said:
Bogus assertions
Protestantism is nothing more than a butchery of Christianity. It exalts the individual to the level of the Church and replaces established tradition with always faulty personal interpretation. This is why "protestantism" is so fractured and why almost nothing aside from the religion's very namesake is up for debate. "cultivating a relationship with God (you didn't even capitalize his name, you shmuck)" is not possible when one rejects all that God has provided us with to glorify him and be glorified in return. Christ came to establish a Church, which he did, and in this Church all of his teachings are infallibly preserved through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The very guidance of the Holy Spirit is what let the Church compile the Bible you fruitlessly try to extrapolate Christianity out of (After you rejected whichever books of it you didn't quite like). The Churches can be as corrupt as the individuals comprising them but the doctrine of the Church remains set in stone and unchanging, something that cannot be said for """protestantism""" which itself is a label for a loosely connected collection of heretics believing in whatever seems right to them, rather than what is right. God has provided us with all we need for salvation, not just the Bible (which alone has led many protestants to a multitude of differing heretical interpretation), he has provided us the Church, the 7 holy mysteries/sacraments, an unbroken chain of monks and priests preserving and dispersing the Church's teachings and wisdom. Christianity isn't a religion of 'everyone for himself, do whatever'. In a sense I would call protestantism a cult, a cult of egoistical hardheadedness, the delusion that one could be wiser than the Church.
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The more you write of Protestantism, the more I find myself nodding my head. I've been looking into Orthodox Christianity over the past two-to-three weeks, and it's looked far more appealing to me than anything that my own local churches have provided in terms of teaching, worship, and faith. There is no Orthodox church near me (and if there ever was, it would probably be polluted with the heresies of America), but the more I look at it, the more it seems like the proper path, and the way you describe Protestantism here certainly helps me see it that way as I think of my own faith in Christ, and if I'm truly connected to Him. I should read more on it.
 
baqqrih said:
The more you write of Protestantism, the more I find myself nodding my head. I've been looking into Orthodox Christianity over the past two-to-three weeks, and it's looked far more appealing to me than anything that my own local churches have provided in terms of teaching, worship, and faith. There is no Orthodox church near me (and if there ever was, it would probably be polluted with the heresies of America), but the more I look at it, the more it seems like the proper path, and the way you describe Protestantism here certainly helps me see it that way as I think of my own faith in Christ, and if I'm truly connected to Him. I should read more on it.
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I am glad Christ is working through me, I usually avoid getting too divisive on the topic of denominations as I myself am far from fully equipped to do justice to my faith when representing it. I do implore you to look for those wiser than me, Father Spyridon is one of my favorite speakers, I have his wisdom to thank for giving me a deeper insight into the faith. I will pray for you, hopefully you will find yourself near an Orthodox Church some day, the services are truly otherworldly, as is the theology. I wouldn't worry about them being "polluted" as they are required to adhere to Orthodox doctrine, especially regarding heresies that have been anathematized in the Church councils. You do say "western heresies" so I assume you refer more so to cultural/political leanings, in which case you could be right but these aren't really the matters of salvation.
 
baqqrih said:
The more you write of Protestantism, the more I find myself nodding my head. I've been looking into Orthodox Christianity over the past two-to-three weeks, and it's looked far more appealing to me than anything that my own local churches have provided in terms of teaching, worship, and faith. There is no Orthodox church near me (and if there ever was, it would probably be polluted with the heresies of America), but the more I look at it, the more it seems like the proper path, and the way you describe Protestantism here certainly helps me see it that way as I think of my own faith in Christ, and if I'm truly connected to Him. I should read more on it.
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Don’t let the fool corrupt you, he’s still one of those Serbians that think the west are a bunch of demonoids, it’s all just a awful projection of the COPEtic church teachings.
 
baqqrih said:
Your misuse of Galatians 3:28 shows how much you know of what you speak. Don't worry, Black Lives Matter has misused this verse, too, so at least you're not alone. Not that I was expecting much from your knowledge, anyway, from what other times I've spoken with you regarding faith. That verse is purely eschatological. I hope you can dig up what that word means from the pile of garbage in your head that you call a mind; it means something relates to salvation, where we're going to end up, heaven or hell. It isn't as if you would know that it is purely talking about salvation, either, because you left half of it out when you've quoted it.
>There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
In that verse, Paul is saying that everyone who accepts Christ's gift gets to go to heaven. Not a particular group, but everyone, every human to live, every soul. That verse doesn't do anything to disprove what I'm saying, because I'm not denying that anyone can go to heaven if they accept Christ's gift. If anything, that verse actually helps me prove my point. By acknowledging that both Jews and Greeks exist as distinct peoples, it isn't at all denying that nations exist. God acknowledges the existence and intention of nations through this verse; that they do exist on Earth, and that they will all be with Him when he returns, no matter who they are.
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If there is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ, shouldn't we treat ourselves and each other as such? Paul is saying that there will be no need for dividing things such as nations in Jesus.

baqqrih said:
Now, as for Babel. Firstly, "two-hundred-thousand years"? Are you serious? The Earth has existed for roughly six-thousand years, maybe you could add a few hundred, maybe even one thousand if you want to get crazy with things, but saying anything above that many years is an abominable lie. If you are stating, without joking, that the Earth is older than even something as absurd as ten-thousand years, you're denying the faith, because there was no life or death before six-thousand years ago. There was no planet six-thousand years ago. There was nothing but God six-thousand years ago. I can only hope you're speaking in jest by making such an outrageous claim.
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The earth is NOT six thousand years old. The 6000-year age of the world comes from an overly-literal reading of Genesis. Genesis was NOT supposed to be the literal account of the creation of the world. The original authors of the first few books in the Old Testament wrote them as fables, whether loosely based on fact or not. The creation story in Genesis are supposed to show that humanity's tendency to stray away from God has been there from the beginning.
baqqrih said:
Secondly, you say another absurd thing. The scattering of the nations was our doing, as humans? I just don't understand what you're saying here at all. We built the tower, we united ourselves into one collective, we tried to gather ourselves all up into one place instead of spreading across the planet, and God prevented that by dividing us up into nations and dispersing us across Earth. You speak, a man starving for erudition in his faith, yet you slap away any hand that tries to nourish you with that comprehension, that tries to tell you something true. You are a fool.
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The scattering of the nations might not have been our doing, but it was our fault. He would not have scattered us had we not built that tower. God scattered us to punish us for wanting to become gods ourselves with Babel, not because we gathered ourselves into one collective. Babel is supposed to represent the hubris of man.
 
encrusting_acro said:
If there is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ, shouldn't we treat ourselves and each other as such? Paul is saying that there will be no need for dividing things such as nations in Jesus.


The earth is NOT six thousand years old. The 6000-year age of the world comes from an overly-literal reading of Genesis. Genesis was NOT supposed to be the literal account of the creation of the world. The original authors of the first few books in the Old Testament wrote them as fables, whether loosely based on fact or not. The creation story in Genesis are supposed to show that humanity's tendency to stray away from God has been there from the beginning.

The scattering of the nations might not have been our doing, but it was our fault. He would not have scattered us had we not built that tower. God scattered us to punish us for wanting to become gods ourselves with Babel, not because we gathered ourselves into one collective. Babel is supposed to represent the hubris of man.
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Genesis is literal though
 
Malzy_Moo said:
Genesis is literal though
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The original OT writers did not write the OT as a historical source, but as stories for which we learn morals from. That is not to say there is not historical basis for the events in the OT. Many of the events that took place after the Torah have real, historical basis
 
encrusting_acro said:
The original OT writers did not write the OT as a historical source, but as stories for which we learn morals from. That is not to say there is not historical basis for the events in the OT. Many of the events that took place after the Torah have real, historical basis
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So literally nothing happened in the Old Testament? Moses didn’t exist? Nobody fell from Eden? No 12 tribes? No israel?
 
Malzy_Moo said:
So literally nothing happened in the Old Testament? Moses didn’t exist? Nobody fell from Eden? No 12 tribes? No israel?
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You did not read my post fully. I said many of the events after the Torah have historical basis. The fall from Eden is supposed to represent humanity's constant failure to follow God.
 
Spas said:
I am glad Christ is working through me, I usually avoid getting too divisive on the topic of denominations as I myself am far from fully equipped to do justice to my faith when representing it. I do implore you to look for those wiser than me, Father Spyridon is one of my favorite speakers, I have his wisdom to thank for giving me a deeper insight into the faith. I will pray for you, hopefully you will find yourself near an Orthodox Church some day, the services are truly otherworldly, as is the theology. I wouldn't worry about them being "polluted" as they are required to adhere to Orthodox doctrine, especially regarding heresies that have been anathematized in the Church councils. You do say "western heresies" so I assume you refer more so to cultural/political leanings, in which case you could be right but these aren't really the matters of salvation.
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Thanks, man. I think I've seen that Spyridon guy on YouTube before. I'll check out his videos. And, yeah, I was referring to the political leanings, I've specifically seen census statistics before that showed Orthodox Christians in America having the highest support out of all other groups of Christians for leftist causes like the legalization of abortion or support for homosexual rights, so that was my concern. In addition, there's stuff like the pictures I've attached that added to that concern.
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Same guy as above picture, BTW:
I'm sure you can understand the issues of such satanic ideologies simply being let into a place of God by corrupted priests, which is what I'm afraid of when it comes to a lot of the churches here in America. Anyway, I'll just have to see where Christ guides me as I continue to learn. Thanks again.
 
baqqrih said:
Thanks, man. I think I've seen that Spyridon guy on YouTube before. I'll check out his videos. And, yeah, I was referring to the political leanings, I've specifically seen census statistics before that showed Orthodox Christians in America having the highest support out of all other groups of Christians for leftist causes like the legalization of abortion or support for homosexual rights, so that was my concern. In addition, there's stuff like the pictures I've attached that added to that concern.
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Same guy as above picture, BTW:
I'm sure you can understand the issues of such satanic ideologies simply being let into a place of God by corrupted priests, which is what I'm afraid of when it comes to a lot of the churches here in America. Anyway, I'll just have to see where Christ guides me as I continue to learn. Thanks again.
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Yeah true face of orthocucks, it’s this or kissing wolf heads .
 
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