Rant Eugenics was never practiced properly

[Weebhunter3000]

I don't think you understand how that works. If we all became extremely good looking overnight, then the standard for what constitutes a "good looking man" would simply increase and there would still be people who would be considered below average. This wouldn't solve the problem of inceldom. The solution for inceldom is simply a cultural change, strict monogamy, lower standards and the eradication of the hook up culture.

Fair enough.

You're projecting your bad experiences onto them. I knew/know plenty of such extremely disabled people, many of them are happy. Because they didn't grow up in a heartless society.

I’d say mild disabilities are fine, but I see no benefit in letting people who have moderate-extreme mental/physical defects reproduce and risk passing them on to their offspring. Because it’s not just their happiness that is a concern but it’s also a strain on society.

 

[ILoveVesna]

The Faith for example teaches us that God loves everyone of us, that he envisionned us before we were even born.
In psalms 139 :
"For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made.Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in ithe depths of the earth."

My question would be how do you reconcile that and eugenics for example.

this basically btfos human gene editing, but like
I don't really know how to defend or explain my point it's just that I think we can make humanity better

I don't think you understand how that works. If we all became extremely good looking overnight, then the standard for what constitutes a "good looking man" would simply increase and there would still be people who would be considered below average.

Most likely leading to a positive feedback loop for better looking niggers or something
This is why human gene editing should not be used for this.

 

[ILoveVesna]

I’d say mild disabilities are fine, but I see no benefit in letting people who have moderate-extreme mental/physical defects reproduce and risk passing them on to their offspring. Because it’s not just their happiness that is a concern but it’s also a strain on society.

Rather us than them

 

[Aedra]

I’d say mild disabilities are fine, but I see no benefit in letting people who have moderate-extreme mental/physical defects reproduce and risk passing them on to their offspring. Because it’s not just their happiness that is a concern but it’s also a strain on society.

Hard disagree because I see spiritual value in protecting the weak. But since you aren't Christian, I won't hold you to the same strict standard I held the other guy. Think what you will, just know that there will come a day when you will be judged for them. This utterly materialist culture has made you think only in terms of what is most beneficial in practice, forgetting or maybe forsaking all sense of compassion and mercy.

 

[Nihilma]

this basically btfos human gene editing, but like
I don't really know how to defend or explain my point it's just that I think we can make humanity better

Yet gene editing also happens while you're alive and well, as said above, there's a whole field of genetics called epigenetics on this subject lol.
Is getting bombarded by the sun a sin ?
Is getting your mutated genes edited during your lifetime a sin ?
Then why should it be a sin if we do it before ? But then again if we completely alter the person, how CAN'T it be a sin ?

 

[Anon_Humor]

The only reason people hate is is because le evil nazis or whatever
but they had the wrong goal
white blond people are still generic people
selectively breeding out impurities (genetic defects, retards, trannies, etc) and breeding for better attribute would lead to a better human species overall
people in the future could have a perfect world

This is the right wing equivelent of saying "Real Communism has never been tried!"

 

[Aedra]

This is the right wing equivelent of saying "Real Communism has never been tried!"

>real eugenics has never been practiced even doe several european countries had eugenics programs, including the usa

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho]

Hard disagree because I see spiritual value in protecting the weak. But since you aren't Christian, I won't hold you to the same strict standard I held the other guy. Think what you will, just know that there will come a day when you will be judged for them. This utterly materialist culture has made you think only in terms of what is most beneficial in practice, forgetting or maybe forsaking all sense of compassion and mercy.

You can protect the weak while not wanting there to be more weak people being created. It’s not like he is proposing we kill all the disabled people, he just wants them to stop reproducing

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho]

As long as the science in question contradicts with Christianity, yes. Don't cave in to worldly influences, reform yourself according to whatever the Church and the Bible says. Don't conform your faith to the world, instead make the world conform to it. Nihilma will most likely give you some half assed response about how the two don't contradict or whatever. (No offense intended.) They do. No one can serve two masters.

How does eugenics contradict the Bible (I never read it so I don’t know if it does) If it does, wouldn’t GMO’s, working out, etc also contradict the Bible since they all have the goal of making organisms “better” even tho god already made everything perfect or whatever

 

[Aedra]

You can protect the weak while not wanting there to be more weak people being created. It’s not like he is proposing we kill all the disabled people, he just wants them to stop reproducing

Not really interested in arguing over this anymore. I'll have plenty of children as the disabled man I am though, I assure you that much.

How does eugenics contradict the Bible (I never read it so I don’t know if it does) If it does, wouldn’t GMO’s, working out, etc also contradict the Bible since they all have the goal of making organisms “better” even tho god already made everything perfect or whatever

The Views of Orthodox Theology on Bioethical Issues

On the one hand, another tragedy like the Tower of Babel must be avoided; on the other hand, human beings must find meaning in life and communion with God.

www.pelagia.org

8) The deciphering of DNA may pose another bioethical problem in the future. If there are major advances in biomedical research, it will be possible to foresee some illnesses which are likely to affect babies before and after birth. This will give rise to bioethical dilemmas, as it will pose the problem of whether to kill the newborn or unborn baby, if, of course, these illnesses are incurable. If this happens, humankind will enter an era of eugenics and euthanasia, with a society composed solely of healthy people. This is unacceptable to the Orthodox Church.

^

 

[xyz]

The only reason people hate is is because le evil nazis or whatever
but they had the wrong goal
white blond people are still generic people
selectively breeding out impurities (genetic defects, retards, trannies, etc) and breeding for better attribute would lead to a better human species overall
people in the future could have a perfect world

hal hitler or whatever

 

[UltraSoyLord]

Eugenics is already becoming an outdated concept. With genetic engineering and stem cell therapies, we can accomplish anything Eugenics could, but faster and more effectively. On top of that they can do things Eugenics never could. It doesn't have the same stigma as Eugenics. I know lots of people want to cry "It's too heck'n dangerous, we don't know enough about the human genome to mess with it!" The same thing applies to artificial selection. Look at the mess domestic dogs and other pets are in. Yes, right now, and in the short term, eugenics in the form of artificial selection is pretty safe and effective. But at the same time, you are only selecting for what's visible. If over 20 generations, you slowly build up mutations on a significant protein to the point that it becomes dysfunctional you can never undo that. We cannot account for every biomolecular process effected by our genetics and epigenetics. By the time we can, we would be so proficient at genetic engineering (since you'd use that to uncover the full function of the genome) that there would be no reason not to just use genetic engineering. Also, when I say genetic engineering, I mean laboratory processes that bypass the central dogma, I don't consider artificial selection genetic engineering. Don't become a Eugenics shill, just get ready for when genetic engineering is ready to be used on "improve" humans.

 

[XXX_SKIBIDISIGMA_XXX]

Eugenics is already becoming an outdated concept. With genetic engineering and stem cell therapies, we can accomplish anything Eugenics could, but faster and more effectively. On top of that they can do things Eugenics never could. It doesn't have the same stigma as Eugenics. I know lots of people want to cry "It's too heck'n dangerous, we don't know enough about the human genome to mess with it!" The same thing applies to artificial selection. Look at the mess domestic dogs and other pets are in. Yes, right now, and in the short term, eugenics in the form of artificial selection is pretty safe and effective. But at the same time, you are only selecting for what's visible. If over 20 generations, you slowly build up mutations on a significant protein to the point that it becomes dysfunctional you can never undo that. We cannot account for every biomolecular process effected by our genetics and epigenetics. By the time we can, we would be so proficient at genetic engineering (since you'd use that to uncover the full function of the genome) that there would be no reason not to just use genetic engineering. Also, when I say genetic engineering, I mean laboratory processes that bypass the central dogma, I don't consider artificial selection genetic engineering. Don't become a Eugenics shill, just get ready for when genetic engineering is ready to be used on "improve" humans.

Yes, THIS.
Oh and that reminds me, there are videos demonstrating Neuralinks ability to help disabled people regain abilities:

 

[Disabled Male]

hijacking the thread to talk about inventing anime girls
Slavic women have some starters among their diverse phenotypes but we need larger eyes.


Mascara is a crime, the only reason it exists is optical illusion to make eyes look larger.

I think they listed specific genes to mod in "genetic variants associated with human eye size are distinct from those conferring susceptibility to myopia", basically genes to make eyes grow. There is an issue with large eyes conflicting with the holistic composition of the face. I see a lot of cute large-eyed girls who would be cuter if their eyes were better placed or more evenly proportioned. I suspect it may be better to focus on genes related to how deeply set the eyes are in the head. (aiming for more shallow placement)

There is also the infamous anime girl snout. I think mewGODs call this forward growth. The traditional beauty standard is a straight line along forehead to jaw, which I think would be incompatible with this- unless I'm just viewing mostly the same thing with a different head tilt? Nothing to be done for it except mitigate micromastia? Maybe reduce tongue-tying with some alternative (or better dosing of) of maternal folic acid supplementation?