thread_prefix.19 General christian thread

[X Immigrant]

No it's not pedantry, racism is a consequence of racialism

OK? Still doesn't mean they are the same.

On the MAOA gene, first of all I'm not going to pay 40 bucks to read the entire article, I would've if it was free but oh well.

The abstract tells you all you need to know.

Second of all, from my research, close to as much racially japanese people possess the MAOA gene as black people do, meaning around 50%, yet japan consistently ranks in one of the lowest scores of criminality in the world. How do you explain that if not by culture ?

The Japanese are full of disgusting pedophile perverts. Not to mention they were previously a warmongering violent pack of chinks, look at the samurai culture. The only reason they aren't violent is because they got cucked into oblivion by AmeriCHADS and are addicted to pornography. They are a dying race along with all the other yellow monkeys.

Egyptians did that ? Ever heard of the french revolution, were a king was beheaded for similar reasons ? The french have fought the most wars, have won the most battles with 1115 battles won, and used to be considered a warmongering state and people.

They did it for political reasons arising out of intellectual conflict. The Egyptians? Not so much.

To answer your question about the ancient world, no, it wasn't Carthage, as carthage was mostly a farming land and was very peaceful.
Gaul and germania likely were, as there was constant fighting with barbaric tribes, and the gauls were also warmongering psychos.

Ok, they were ancient tribes still stuck in the copper age. Who cares? They were isolated between each other so obviously that would happen.

Funny you should mention not liking monarchy. Did you know the Patriarch of the Georgian Orthodox Church is currently pushing for a constitutional monarchy in Georgia? How do you reconcile not liking monarchy with the fact that a patriarch of your own faith is pushing for it?

Key phrase: The Georgian Orthodox Church. We're a localized religion for a reason.

Or how about the fact that Tsar Nicholas II is a saint in the church?

He's a martyr because he died fighting against the ever-present Jew in the form of communism.

As for IQ... I genuinely just don't care, IQ is often tested with western bias

KEK

If I sent you to Ethiopia then you'd be the silly one from their perspective. Ask yourself : can you do the kinds of menial work they do every day in rural areas?

I did roofing and still have the build from it. Perhaps I could, but I understand what you mean.

Most westerners have no idea what living in such conditions is like. They may lack skills you value, but you also lack skills they value. We should all humble ourselves in my opinion.

Part 2. But yes, I do agree that labor is important, but the pen is above the sword, hence why we fight for the Bible, not the other way around.

Which one do you prefer : an Orthodox African man or a Catholic Pole? If you answer by picking the Pole then isn't that just... Putting race above religion?

Can't I judge them separately? I could also question whether the Orthodox man in question is truly an Orthodox by testing him on the matter. Anyways, we're getting a sort of bottleneck effect. The best African men will choose Orthodoxy.

Okay, now to get to my point : what if I told you that every single Orthodox saint of the 20th century who spoke out about the subject of evolution spoke out against it and in favor of young earth creationism instead? Would it influence your opinion in any way or would you just not care because le science?

Give me a quote and I'll see if it conflicts with my view. I genuinely don't know what to say about the Young Earth thing, but please, provide arguments for it. Since we're talking about saints you can't just say 'muh faith.'

Then let's also consider you're right and let's assume the white race is indeed superior. Saint Tikhon, in one of his sermons in a native Alaskan church, stated that true civilization consists in elevating the lower races to the level of the higher ones. Not destroy them, but offer them a hand of mercy. Because God commanded you to defend the weak and the fatherless. That is what true civilization is : you can measure the worth of any civilization by looking at how they treat their weakest members. So even if your race *is* superior, you are still commanded to take care of the lower races.

I agree with this statement, I'll offer them help if they accept it, which many Africans do not.

 

[X Immigrant]

Studied IQ in psychology because ofc it's psychometric tool first and foremost.
One index of intelligence is verbal comprehension, which is a cristallized intelligence index, and cristallized intelligence, unlike fluid intelligence, is based a lot on what you learn.

Thus, a child who reads a lot is going to have a high score at this index and a higher score on the general scale.
As of today, Kangz in BBCland have other things to worry about than to provide a tolkien roman to their children

Are you seriously waffling about muh institutional racism? KYS.

Also, psychanalysis, aka what Freud invented, is not considered science in modern psychology.
Matter of fact where I study at they hate him and we don't even study the slightest bit of psychanalysis. So don't worry on psychology being a "jewish" invention, it's not

TSMT, not to mention the 'smart Jew' thing is a myth.

 

[ArmaLite]

At what point does a sin become unforgivable? Are there specific conditions in the Bible? I've always wondered about this.

 

[Nihilma]

The Japanese are full of disgusting pedophile perverts. Not to mention they were previously a warmongering violent pack of chinks, look at the samurai culture. The only reason they aren't violent is because they got cucked into oblivion by AmeriCHADS and are addicted to pornography. They are a dying race along with all the other yellow monkeys.

My point still applies, the MAOA gene doesn't act on sexuality, and as you said, where they previously were violent, now they aren't. Japs now have the same problem as white people, meaning a degenerated cuck culture with rampant pedophilia and low birthrate, exactly the same as western culture.

But if racism and this theory were to hold true, they wouldn't be able to.
That's the problem, once again, racism doesn't leave room for change at all.
Yet change is possible, and as seen with the japs, not just on a mild scale, but on a large effective scale. Therefore racism is false.

They did it for political reasons arising out of intellectual conflict. The Egyptians? Not so much.

The average french peasant's reason was "Me need more bread". Literally.

The abstract tells you all you need to know.

Also that is not how science works, it's not "the expert tell you this, believe it !"
I actually read the methodology, the theory and the statistics to know what the actual data says. It's literally soyboy behaviour to act otherwise.

Ok, they were ancient tribes still stuck in the copper age. Who cares? They were isolated between each other so obviously that would happen.

Modern french people are still closely connected genetically to ancient gauls, and my point still remains.
It's the culture that acts on murder and crime rates, not genes, or at least very minimally.
If a whole people can change, then genes have a very low say on crime rate.
And during the medieval era, I tell you you could die in a duel for looking at someone the wrong way. Wars between lords have been fought over literal cows.

War of the Cow - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Are you seriously waffling about muh institutional racism? KYS.

When did I ever mentionned that ?
I'm just saying african countries are shit because their governments are the most corrupt on earth, that there is constant wars there being fought over water and arrable land, and that there is thus extremelly low education levels which have been shown to impact IQ

 

[Nihilma]

At what point does a sin become unforgivable? Are there specific conditions in the Bible? I've always wondered about this.

The sin against the holy spirit.
Matthew 12:30-32: "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. Therefore I tell you, people will be forgiven for every sin and blasphemy, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven."

It has been interpreted by some saints, I cannot tell you whom though, that since the holy spirit's power is to act on us and guide us towards repentence, sinning against the holy spirit means to refuse to repent until death, aka dying while refusing the gift of Christ

 

[Aedra]

He's a martyr because he died fighting against the ever-present Jew in the form of communism.

Correct.

Key phrase: The Georgian Orthodox Church. We're a localized religion for a reason.

That's true... For now. The reality of Orthodox Monarchy will eventually catch up. Time will prove me right.

I did roofing and still have the build from it. Perhaps I could, but I understand what you mean.

Part 2. But yes, I do agree that labor is important, but the pen is above the sword, hence why we fight for the Bible, not the other way around.

All good.

Give me a quote and I'll see if it conflicts with my view. I genuinely don't know what to say about the Young Earth thing, but please, provide arguments for it. Since we're talking about saints you can't just say 'muh faith.'

Ask and you shall receive. I'll give you quotes from both the church fathers and the recent Orthodox saints who all made their position clear.

First, Saint John of Kronstadt spoke about this, and precisely within the framework of the theory of evolution and the resulting geological models of an “old earth,” as contradicting the narration of the six days of creation:

"The Holy Scriptures speak more truly and more clearly of the world than the world itself or the arrangement of the earthly strata; the scriptures of nature within it, being dead and voiceless, cannot express anything definite. "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?" Were you with God when He created the universe? "Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being His counseller, hath taught Him? (Is. 40:13)" And yet you geologists boast that you have understood the mind of the Lord, in the arrangement of strata, and maintained it in spite of Holy Writ! You believe more in the dead letters of the earthly strata, in the soulless earth, than in the Divinely-inspired words of the great prophet Moses, who saw God."

Then, Saint Justin Popovich utterly dunks on evolution here:

"This theology, which bases its anthropology on the “scientific” theory of evolution, is nothing but “contradictio in adjecto” (a contradiction of definition). In truth, it is a theology without God and anthropology without man."

Saint Ephraim the Syrian states that no one should interpret the 6 day creation as an allegory:

"No one should think that the six-day creation is an allegory; likewise it is impermissible to speak as if … names herewith presented in the account signify either nothing, or signify something else."

Saint Basil the Great also pushes for a literal reading of Genesis here:

"I know the rules of allegory … There are those who, accepting what is written not in its plain sense, say that that which is called water is not water, but some other substance, and to plants and fish they give a meaning of their own discretion. But hearing of grass, I understand grass; and plants, fish, beasts and livestock—everything—as it is called so I receive, not being ashamed of the Gospel (Rom. 1:16) … It seems to me it is this which has not been comprehended by those who, according to their own understanding, have set out to give some soaring and panoramic importance to the Scripture. But it means to set up oneself as wiser than the sayings of the Spirit and under the guise of interpretation to introduce one’s own thoughts. Therefore we will understand it as is written."

Saint Paisios also dunks on evolution here:

"The theory of evolution was being taught by a professor I knew at the University. Once, I said to him: "In time and with proper care a green bean plant will become a better green bean plant, the eggplant a better eggplant. If you feed and take care of an ape, he will become a better ape, but he will not turn into a human being."

And then there's this thing to think about. Christ was born of a human being, the Panagia. Are we to believe that His ancestors were apes? What blasphemy! And those who support this theory don't realize that they are blaspheming. They throw a stone and do not check to see how many heads they have cracked. All you will hear from them is: "Mine went further than the other fellow's." That's what they are all about these days; they marvel at who will throw a stone the farthest. But they care nothing about those who are passing by and the many heads their stones will crack."

Saint Paisios once again:

"The nonsense we hear in schools these days about Darwin's theory and the rest, even the teachers themselves do not believe what they are teaching. Instead they proceed because they want to pollute the minds of our youth and take them away from the Church."

Saint Theophan the Recluse saying it is not even worth it to argue against evolution, their position was simply that unconvincing in his eyes:

"They have heaped up a multitude of fanciful suppositions for themselves, elevated them to the status of irrefutable truths and plumed themselves on them, assuming that nothing can be said against them. In fact, they are so ungrounded that it is not even worthwhile speaking against them. All of their sophistry is a house of cards – blow on it and it flies apart. There is no need to refute it in its parts; it is enough to regard it as one regards dreams. When speaking against dreams, people do not prove the absurdity in their composition or in their individual parts, but only say, ‘It’s a dream,’ and with that they resolve everything. It is the same with the theory of the formation of the world from a nebula and its supports, with the theory of abiogenesis and Darwin’s origin of genera and species, and with his last dream about the descent of man. It is all like delirium. When you read them you are walking in the midst of shadows. And scientists? Well, what can you do with them? Their motto is “If you don’t like it, don’t listen, but don’t prevent me from lying.”

Saint Ambrose of Optina:

“Don’t believe at face value all kinds of nonsense without investigation: that something can come into being [of itself] from dust, and that people used to be apes.”

I have more, but I think all this should be more than enough.

I agree with this statement, I'll offer them help if they accept it, which many Africans do not.

Good. We're getting somewhere at least.

 

[Nihilma]

Correct.

That's true... For now. The reality of Orthodox Monarchy will eventually catch up. Time will prove me right.
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All good.

Ask and you shall receive. I'll give you quotes from both the church fathers and the recent Orthodox saints who all made their position clear.

First, Saint John of Kronstadt spoke about this, and precisely within the framework of the theory of evolution and the resulting geological models of an “old earth,” as contradicting the narration of the six days of creation:

Then, Saint Justin Popovich utterly dunks on evolution here:

Saint Ephraim the Syrian states that no one should interpret the 6 day creation as an allegory:

Saint Basil the Great also pushes for a literal reading of Genesis here:

Saint Paisios also dunks on evolution here:

Saint Paisios once again:

Saint Theophan the Recluse saying it is not even worth it to argue against evolution, their position was simply that unconvincing in his eyes:

Saint Ambrose of Optina:

I have more, but I think all this should be more than enough.

Good. We're getting somewhere at least.

We have our disagreement on evolution and stuff, but I recognize that my view is not perfect, and I do respect the desire to respect the Bible to a T.

 

[baqqrih]

That's true... For now. The reality of Orthodox Monarchy will eventually catch up. Time will prove me right.
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That's a beautiful chant. I always get sad when I hear about the brutality inflicted upon the Russian people by the Bolsheviks, how they tortured and trampled every class and rank of folk, from the mere peasant to the most powerful of royalty. Yet, there's some joy to be found, too, in the acknowledgement of the paradise they're now in, for at least the Tsar did much to defend the church during his reign, thus instilling within his people the values of Christ's wisdom.

 

[X Immigrant]

Correct.

Not because he was a king.

That's true... For now. The reality of Orthodox Monarchy will eventually catch up. Time will prove me right.
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Monarchy is meant for the kingdom of heaven, not man. Just to remind you, a monarch is only ideal if he is a perfect man, which no one is.

All good.

Ask and you shall receive. I'll give you quotes from both the church fathers and the recent Orthodox saints who all made their position clear.

First, Saint John of Kronstadt spoke about this, and precisely within the framework of the theory of evolution and the resulting geological models of an “old earth,” as contradicting the narration of the six days of creation:

Then, Saint Justin Popovich utterly dunks on evolution here:

Saint Ephraim the Syrian states that no one should interpret the 6 day creation as an allegory:

Saint Basil the Great also pushes for a literal reading of Genesis here:

Saint Paisios also dunks on evolution here:

Saint Paisios once again:

Saint Theophan the Recluse saying it is not even worth it to argue against evolution, their position was simply that unconvincing in his eyes:

Saint Ambrose of Optina:

I have more, but I think all this should be more than enough.

Most of these allign with my theory though. I never said we originated from evolution. What they're saying is going against Darwinian evolution, and I'm against it as well.

For the ones supporting YEC, I simply cannot support it. It is preposterous. Not to mention there are multiple times in the Bible where an indefinite amount of time could have passed.

Good. We're getting somewhere at least.

Don't get me wrong, most Africans don't deserve it/won't accept anything other than money and food, and keep on living the way they are.

 

[X Immigrant]

My point still applies, the MAOA gene doesn't act on sexuality, and as you said, where they previously were violent, now they aren't.

They manifest their inferiority in other ways.

Japs now have the same problem as white people, meaning a degenerated cuck culture with rampant pedophilia and low birthrate, exactly the same as western culture.

We aren't nearly as degenerate as those damn chinks!

But if racism and this theory were to hold true, they wouldn't be able to.
That's the problem, once again, racism doesn't leave room for change at all.
Yet change is possible, and as seen with the japs, not just on a mild scale, but on a large effective scale. Therefore racism is false.

But the thing is, they didn't change for the better.

The average french peasant's reason was "Me need more bread". Literally.

Because they were oppressed by a monarch? They were still guided by an intellectual leader unlike niggers. They are guided by warlords.

Also that is not how science works, it's not "the expert tell you this, believe it !"
I actually read the methodology, the theory and the statistics to know what the actual data says. It's literally soyboy behaviour to act otherwise.

Except if the results go against the collective goodthink, then you can believe it.

Modern french people are still closely connected genetically to ancient gauls, and my point still remains.
It's the culture that acts on murder and crime rates, not genes, or at least very minimally.

The difference is is that the Gauls changed for the better, as seen with how developed Europe was/is. Most of Africa was at the same level as Euros. They even had a head start. Africa is still a shithole.

If a whole people can change, then genes have a very low say on crime rate.

Except not every change is related to genes, I never said that. This is simply a change in exposure to advanced civilization. They changed, but Africans didn't!

And during the medieval era, I tell you you could die in a duel for looking at someone the wrong way. Wars between lords have been fought over literal cows.

War of the Cow - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Aryankonflikt. And it still isn't equivalent to the retarded wars Africans are fighting to this day.

When did I ever mentionned that ?
I'm just saying african countries are shit because their governments are the most corrupt on earth, that there is constant wars there being fought over water and arrable land, and that there is thus extremelly low education levels which have been shown to impact IQ

And why are they corrupt on this level in the first place?

 

[Aedra]

For the ones supporting YEC, I simply cannot support it. It is preposterous. Not to mention there are multiple times in the Bible where an indefinite amount of time could have passed.

As I guessed, you seem to support le science over the actual tradition of the church. I hope you repent of that one day.

"I cannot support it." is simply not an argument against several saints saying the same thing as me. Additionally, do you remember Father Seraphim Rose? The man who is widely venerated in slavic lands? He has a whole book dedicated to this topic. I highly recommend reading it, because he explains it better than I ever could. He was a young earth creationist too.

Not because he was a king.

Monarchy is meant for the kingdom of heaven, not man. Just to remind you, a monarch is only ideal if he is a perfect man, which no one is.

Even though monarchy has been the norm throughout all of Orthodox history. And don't say Novgorod, that was a mere exception, and they were cowards who paid off the mongols while their other Christian Rus brothers were fighting them to death and dying for their faith. Christ is the King of Kings. Not the president of presidents or the prime minister of prime ministers.

Don't get me wrong, most Africans don't deserve it/won't accept anything other than money and food, and keep on living the way they are.

Even though our saints say the exact opposite.

When I get into Orthodoxy, I don't expect the faith to conform to me. I conform to it. I'll pray for you man.

 

[Nihilma]

They manifest their inferiority in other ways.

We aren't nearly as degenerate as those damn chinks!

But the thing is, they didn't change for the better.

Because they were oppressed by a monarch? They were still guided by an intellectual leader unlike niggers. They are guided by warlords.

Except if the results go against the collective goodthink, then you can believe it.

The difference is is that the Gauls changed for the better, as seen with how developed Europe was/is. Most of Africa was at the same level as Euros. They even had a head start. Africa is still a shithole.

Except not every change is related to genes, I never said that. This is simply a change in exposure to advanced civilization. They changed, but Africans didn't!

Aryankonflikt. And it still isn't equivalent to the retarded wars Africans are fighting to this day.

And why are they corrupt on this level in the first place?

You constantly give excuses for the wrong doing of whites but you blame every wrong doing of other races on their inferiority, that is not how that works.
Japs are not more degenerate than the race that is king of sexual degeneracy : whites
Accepting without thinking what the expert says when they agree with you is not how proper philosophy works
The gauls changed for the better and so did the japs on crime.
Egyptians were also opressed by monarchs geg, and way more than the french under a christian monarchy.
African governments are corrupt because the "help" countries like france gives them goes straight into the pocket of the leaders.
The populations starves, military generals overthrow the corrupt leaders, become the corrupt leaders themselves, the populations continue to starve, borders do not reflect ethnic boundaries, et cetera et cetera et cetera.

Also, the very concept of superiority is unbiblical.
Superiority would mean that a race is at least more justifiable before God than other races.
It isn't the case. The penalty for sin is death, being far away from God. There is no inbetween, death in the ultimate and sole penalty.
Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God".

Everyone in the eyes of God is seen as equally sinful, therefore God sees us all as equals, and no race is MORE justifiable than another, that is heresy.
And ultimately, there is nothing more important than how God views us, therefore it is the only valid objectifiable measure of superiority or inferiority, and since everyone falls short, no one is superior except Christ.

 

[Nihilma]

geg, as of right now this is the third thread with the most replies on the blog I think.
Christian website albeit

 

[Aedra]

geg, as of right now this is the third thread with the most replies on the blog I think.
Christian website albeit

Surprising how I don't feel any urge to lash out this time. First calm debate I had. Hope I can continue like this but I know I'm susceptible to mood swings. Don't take it personally when I throw insults around, I don't mean any of them.

 

[Nihilma]

Surprising how I don't feel any urge to lash out this time. First calm debate I had. Hope I can continue like this but I know I'm susceptible to mood swings. Don't take it personally when I throw insults around, I don't mean any of them.

I get it lol, I don't take offense for it dw.
It's a much better testimony for non-christians to show we're able to talk peacefuly anyways, otherwise we're not better than anyone else

 

[X Immigrant]

As I guessed, you seem to support le science over the actual tradition of the church.

No, I reject multiple scientific consensus' in favor of religion.

"I cannot support it." is simply not an argument against several saints saying the same thing as me.

Several saints saying it isn't an argument, their writings aren't inherently true, since their word isn't absolute.

Additionally, do you remember Father Seraphim Rose?

Yes I venerated an original portrait of him on my pilgrimage at a nunnery in New York.

The man who is widely venerated in slavic lands? He has a whole book dedicated to this topic. I highly recommend reading it, because he explains it better than I ever could. He was a young earth creationist too.

Good, he had better explain why the Earth is 7,000 years despite multiple cultures predating it.

Even though monarchy has been the norm throughout all of Orthodox history. And don't say Novgorod, that was a mere exception,

A 'mere exception' shut down by the monarchy for having proto-democracy.

and they were cowards who paid off the mongols while their other Christian Rus brothers were fighting them to death and dying for their faith.

You idiot, they fought of the Livonians trying to convert them to Catholocism, and the Mongols were in their lands for less than a century.

Christ is the King of Kings. Not the president of presidents or the prime minister of prime ministers.

And he is an example of a perfect being which no human can reflect.

Even though our saints say the exact opposite.

They say African people will change?

When I get into Orthodoxy, I don't expect the faith to conform to me. I conform to it. I'll pray for you man.

Oh, sure. You aren't a perfect Christian m8. That's prideful.

 

[BLACKHAWK]

Matthew 12:30-32: "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. Therefore I tell you, people will be forgiven for every sin and blasphemy, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven."

basically not paying for the church.

i genuinely deserve to form religion. mine will be greater.

 

[Aedra]

No, I reject multiple scientific consensus' in favor of religion.

Several saints saying it isn't an argument, their writings aren't inherently true, since their word isn't absolute.

Yes I venerated an original portrait of him on my pilgrimage at a nunnery in New York.

Good, he had better explain why the Earth is 7,000 years despite multiple cultures predating it.

A 'mere exception' shut down by the monarchy for having proto-democracy.

You idiot, they fought of the Livonians trying to convert them to Catholocism, and the Mongols were in their lands for less than a century.

And he is an example of a perfect being which no human can reflect.

They say African people will change?

Oh, sure. You aren't a perfect Christian m8. That's prideful.

Look man I'm trying my best to be calm but you don't need to start insulting me. Seraphim Rose does explain everything so I suggest you read his book, alright? You can make up your mind after. God bless you.

 

[X Immigrant]

You constantly give excuses for the wrong doing of whites but you blame every wrong doing of other races on their inferiority, that is not how that works.

When pitted against each other, whites won. Simple as.

Japs are not more degenerate than the race that is king of sexual degeneracy : whites

Because of the Jew, before that whites were a blessed race.

Accepting without thinking what the expert says when they agree with you is not how proper philosophy works

I read the study. The gene for violence was correlated more with African-Americans.

The gauls changed for the better and so did the japs on crime.

The Gauls ascended, the Japs simply became complacent.

Egyptians were also opressed by monarchs geg, and way more than the french under a christian monarchy.

Oh, so you agree with me about the Egyptians being worse than?

African governments are corrupt because the "help" countries like france gives them goes straight into the pocket of the leaders.
The populations starves, military generals overthrow the corrupt leaders, become the corrupt leaders themselves, the populations continue to starve, borders do not reflect ethnic boundaries, et cetera et cetera et cetera.

>Waaaaaah muh neocolonialism
Bleed. France left Africa(besides Djibouti) years ago anyways.

Also, the very concept of superiority is unbiblical.
Superiority would mean that a race is at least more justifiable before God than other races.
It isn't the case. The penalty for sin is death, being far away from God. There is no inbetween, death in the ultimate and sole penalty.
Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God".

Ok, some have sinned more than others. And this verse doesn't say "and all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God equally"

Everyone in the eyes of God is seen as equally sinful, therefore God sees us all as equals, and no race is MORE justifiable than another, that is heresy.
And ultimately, there is nothing more important than how God views us, therefore it is the only valid objectifiable measure of superiority or inferiority, and since everyone falls short, no one is superior except Christ.

Some fucked up mental gymnastics. And yes, nothing's more important than how God views us, but we can view other people in a different light at the same time, as long as we don't put it above God, and I don't.

Look man I'm trying my best to be calm but you don't need to start insulting me. Seraphim Rose does explain everything so I suggest you read his book, alright? You can make up your mind after. God bless you.

You accused me of sinning, and I wasn't quick to be on the verge of bursting with rage. I will read his works.

 

[Nihilma]

When pitted against each other, whites won. Simple as.

Because of the Jew, before that whites were a blessed race.

I read the study. The gene for violence was correlated more with African-Americans.

The Gauls ascended, the Japs simply became complacent.

Oh, so you agree with me about the Egyptians being worse than?

>Waaaaaah muh neocolonialism
Bleed. France left Africa(besides Djibouti) years ago anyways.

Ok, some have sinned more than others. And this verse doesn't say "and all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God equally"

Some fucked up mental gymnastics. And yes, nothing's more important than how God views us, but we can view other people in a different light at the same time, as long as we don't put it above God, and I don't.

You accused me of sinning, and I wasn't quick to be on the verge of bursting with rage. I will read his works.

Again, you find excuses for whites were you do not for others, it's not fair.

On the egyptians, wait so you justified the french revolution by saying it's a struggle against an unjust monarchy, but when I use the same logic for egyptians, sudenly it proves their race is inferior. This is switching sides.

58% of african american have the gene.
56% of chinese and japs have the gene.
Big difference

Never even mentionned neocolonialism, you jumped to this conclusion alone.

You cannot fall short of God's glory "more" than others. That does not exist. It's either hell or his presence, and all deserve hell. Basic theology.

It's not fucked up, it's basic theology, it's how the Church has always viewed sin. You just want to find justification to keep being racist and it's bad.

Saint Moses the black was a thief and wanted to kill a dog because the dog prevented him from stealing a man. He had to hide with monks and that's where he converted. He then proceeded to become a great teacher.

If you met Moses the black before his conversion you'd call him inferior, because he was a thief and he was black. You'd say he has the AMOA gene and that is sufficient reason for you to say he's inferior to you. He is a venerated and respected saint. It's easy for yoy to say now you never would've called him that, but today if I present to you a black thief, you'd call him inferior, and if that man in 10 years turns out to be a great EO teacher, you'd suddenly change your mind.