Pagan mega thread
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The Romans were also Pagan albeit. Just their own brand, but pagan regardless.Pagans > Romans
Chudittical
FTM btw (if that matters)
i don't know much about paganism but those people who make the objectively terrible loud synth music i like seem to be real into it, as well as putting on witch hats and running around in forest. they must have high functioning autism
Christians and Pagans can learn a lot from each other.Pagans > Romans
Romans persecuted Christians, you are right, I was wrong. Sorry for my ignorance and for being confused.
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NOOOO!!! Demiurge... LE GOOD!!!!
No but seriously, Yaldaboath (The Gnostic Demiurge) is rather different from the Platonic Demiurge, because Gnosticism is dualistic. In some ways the Platonic demiurge is more like God of the Gnostics, but still not really. Monistic strains of Gnosticism like Valentinianism don't even view the demiurge as evil, merely ignorant.
1. Prometheus was imprisoned because he, a titan, wanted to be revered the most by mankind over the Olympians, so he tricked Zeus and went behind his back. Zeus punishes Prometheus for this but is not distraught by what Prometheus did. Eventually he gives his son Heracles permission to free Prometheus (so says Hesiod)
2. Rape and seduction are not very well-distinguished in Greek mythology or the ancient world in general. It's sort of besides the point anyways, the entire point of such myths is to give a divine origin to heroes on earth.
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You stupid retard nigger monkey. Judging Roman virtue based on a foreign universally hated emperor from its decadent phase, is like judging the Holy Roman Empire or Nazi Germany based on Weimar or 2024 Germany. Also, that stuff about Nero was made up by his political enemies. Even if it wasn't, the fact that it was used so heavily against him proves that it was not socially normalPagans > Romans
The Romans were against homosexuality. Homosexual relationships between citizens were banned by the Lex Scantinia, and Roman conservatives like Cato and Tacitus were against it
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Echidna's own ancestry is unclear and some say she is the daughter of Gaia, but either way she was the bride of Typhon who is the son of Gaia and her last monstrous creation on the world and the most fearsome enemy of Zeus
Unrelated question: what do you think of pagans and their blind worship of women? That’s one aspect of paganism that doesn’t sit well with me. Or is this just a modern thing?
Xiuhcoyotl
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Correct. They were technically against it from their own perspective. However sexuality in ancient roman society was understood in a very hierarchical manner. A free roman having gay sex with another free roman would be severely punished to be sure. But a free roman having sex with a male slave or a young boy would not face the same penalty. In the case of slaves, it's because it's written right on roman law that a slave is not a person. A non-person has no morality either and violating them in an aggressive manner is technically not a form of degeneracy. Even when you think of homosexuality your outlook is of Christian origin as you are applying the same moral standards towards everyone, pagans did not have that idea ; people of higher status were inherently better in morality for them, therefore they could do whatever they wanted as long as it didn't involve someone of the same status.
For that matter, Rome was also not strictly monogamous either. Sure, a man couldn't marry multiple women, but he could have as much sex as he wanted with a female slave/concubine and it didn't go against anything which isn't exactly monogamous now is it? The amount of constant sex-selective infanticide towards female babies also meant that Rome most likely had a male majority population at all points, which probably contributed to the constant social instability.
This is literally just cope btw. You really gonna claim Sporus didn't exist? Geg.
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Pagans didnt blindly worship women
Lism
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No, you weren't allowed to have sex with Roman boys or adolescents. That's what the Scantinia underlines. Yes you could have sex with slaves but that's because slaves were outside of legal jurisdiction, like you said. That doesn't mean it was not seen as degenerate to have sex with your slave. It just wasn't something you pursued legally.
Also, the Romans weren't any more inclined to having sex with female concubines than Christian European rulers were. Both societies viewed monogamy as good and having sex with a slave girl was not "included in monogamy"
Sporus might not have existed but it doesn't really matter. Nero was obviously cast in a very negative light from Roman historians.
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In other words, my point still stands. You admitted it lul.
Keyword is Roman. You could have sex with any slave boy. Point still stands.
Again, you are ignoring the historical evidence. You have no proof that Nero was merely accused and everything about him is le propaganda. You essentially made this up on the spot because you felt like it. Certainly Sporus getting castrated wasn't all that usual an event, but the love of the Roman elites for little boys was a pretty common thing.
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>In other words, my point still stands. You admitted it lol
How?
>Keyword is Roman. You could have sex with any slave boy. Point still stands.
Not making a trivial law criminalizing something doesn't mean it is considered moral behavior.
>Again, you are ignoring the historical evidence. You have no proof that Nero was merely accused and everything about him is le propaganda. You essentially made this up on the spot because you felt like it. Certainly Sporus getting castrated wasn't all that usual an event, but the love of the Roman elites for little boys was a pretty common thing.
Like I said, it doesn't really matter whether or not Nero was slandered or he really was just that bad. He was obviously not considered a moral person and his actions were condemned by his fellow Romans.
Not "little boys". Usually adolescents in their later teenage years. Roman love of boys became more common (still probably not that common) because Rome was undergoing rapid demographic transition. By the time of Nero, and later emperors engaged in some homoerotic activities like Titus and Hadrian, the city of Rome was probably already majority Greco-Anatolian.
BLACKHAWK
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no one cares what you'd like.
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It really can't be said for sure, considering paganism is dead. There is no actual connection to paganism from this point to the ancient times, there is no chain of successors, as we have in Christianity, where a man can meet his father who is Christian, and who's father was also Christian and so on, where there is a continued link to the past. Today's paganism is mostly just a reconstruction, conjecture on what evidence we have but it's in no way authentic. You will never meet a person who's an inheritor of paganism and who was born into it. You can never have a legitimate experience or perception of paganism, you can never have an accurate insight into how it actually functioned and how pagans actually lived. Luke Smith wrote a a very good article on this, I can probably dig up the link if you want
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Only shitskins are still pagans and preserve their values geg and pagans say muh christians are shitskinz and shiet
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Sorry, shitskins and gooks
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Aedra
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The word pagan is literally just an insult Christians created against various non-christian religions tbh. I don't think anyone would say Buddhism is pagan for example, but it technically is if we're going by the strict definition of the word. Medieval Christians saw even Muslims as Pagan.
