Every hour you work you are being stolen from

[thrembolone]

You can only make 100 gems due to the machine froot provides.

Without your labor Froot's machines can't make any gems.

 

[_account]

Neoliberalism and socialism are literally opposites, what part of neoliberalism has common ownership of the means of production

Common ownership does not mean you have any say on how things are done, and if you have no control over something, can you really be considered an owner of said thing?

 

[_account]

You can only make 100 gems due to the machine froot provides.

GEG

 

[Slvt4BIBISI]

Without your labor Froot's machines can't make any gems.

So your being paid for your labor, not the gems you make which you and froot agreed was 5$ an hour.

 

[thrembolone]

Common ownership does not mean you have any say on how things are done, and if you have no control over something, can you really be considered an owner of said thing?

True common ownership implies democratic control by the working class, not merely the nominal title of "ownership" while power remains concentrated in the hands of a few managers or bureaucrats. Without direct worker control and decision-making, "ownership" becomes an empty concept, merely shifting the appearance of power without altering the reality of exploitation. Genuine communism requires not just the end of private ownership but the empowerment of workers to control production and society directly. Anything short of this is not true common ownership but a form of state capitalism.

 

[Xiuhcoyotl]

the government should pay me for making gems o algo

what gems?

 

[Sprokeandmeds]

karl marx explains this in his theory of surplus value. lets say you work 8 hours per day at the soyjak factory. in these 8 hours you produce 100 gems which go on to be sold for 10 dollars each on the market. but you are only paid 5 dollars per hour for your labor. less than the value you produce for Froot. While you made 40 dollars, Froot makes 460 dollars. the money that is produced by you but are taken from you is called surplus value. while the dollars you earn is a wage. surplus value is the appropriation of unpaid labor, the capitalist buys the labor power at its full value as a commidity on the market yet extracts more value than it then paid for.

Froot has his income linked directly to how many gems he can sell though, he takes all the financial risk if no one buys them. The worker takes no risk, as he’ll always be paid the same as long as he works there. So it makes sense that the boss would receive more money along with the risk of losing it all and going into bankruptcy if the company fails.

Also
>believing in communism in 2024

 

[thrembolone]

>believing in communism in 2024

 

[_account]

True common ownership implies democratic control by the working class, not merely the nominal title of "ownership" while power remains concentrated in the hands of a few managers or bureaucrats. Without direct worker control and decision-making, "ownership" becomes an empty concept, merely shifting the appearance of power without altering the reality of exploitation. Genuine communism requires not just the end of private ownership but the empowerment of workers to control production and society directly. Anything short of this is not true common ownership but a form of state capitalism.

Democratic control is for all intents and purposes, no control. If you work in a factory with 60 workers, and you are the only one intelligent enough to spot an inefficiency, it's almost impossible to convince 30 less intelligent people to make an adjustment to the operations of the factory.

 

[Fortuna]

>believing in communism in 2024

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I can tell you are American. The USSR was hell.

 

[Hitler]

have you read capital?