Do you believe in genetics?

[Aedra]

Even though religiously devout people die in horrible ways all the time

That doesn't contradict the good book at all. If anything, Christianity says that God *does* give you more than you can handle. The apostles all died in the most gruesome and painful ways. We did not come to this earth to have an easy life. In this world you will have trouble, but take heart, because Christ has overcome the world.

 

[Anon_Humor]

Even though I see ugly dudes get gfs all the time

Even though religiously devout people die in horrible ways all the time

Nigga wtf does religion and death have to do with what I said.

 

[istanbul]

That doesn't contradict the good book at all. If anything, Christianity says that God *does* give you more than you can handle. The apostles all died in the most gruesome and painful ways. We did not come to this earth to have an easy life.

even though God knows all of that terrible shit will happen to you in advance regardless of how much you pray

In this world you will have trouble, but take heart, because Christ has overcome the world.

Even though they've been saying this shit for two milennia by now

 

[istanbul]

Nigga wtf does religion and death have to do with what I said.

even though you're paraphrasing the bible

 

[Anon_Humor]

even though you're paraphrasing the bible

Correct, But in a wise philosophizing way. Still doesn't tell me what death has to do with it.

 

[Weebhunter3000]

On a positive note, at least now you know I'm not some malicious subverter wanting to destroy the white race or whatever. I'm an extremist intolerant chud like you, just of a different ideological variety which puts us at odds, but the intentions are the same.

It could be worse. Imagine if you were, God forgive me for saying this, a Catholic.

 

[istanbul]

Correct, But in a wise philosophizing way. Still doesn't tell me what death has to do with it.

>ask and ye shall receive even doe no one has ever regrown a limb through prayer

 

[Nihilma]

Did Vaush just BTFO all of /pol/'s 13/50 arguments ?

>Explains how people like you aren't interested in solving black issues
>Explains how black crimerates have risen since blacks started to move to poor inner city areas after the Irish and the Italians moved out and that crimerates for blacks were previously low in comparison
>Explains how socioeconomic factors have lead black people to commit more crimes.
>Explains how blacks have been systematically discriminated against
>Explains how US policies both now and in the past have kept blacks down and how joining criminal gangs is sometimes the only way for blacks to prosper in densely populated poor inner city areas
>Explains how sometimes US policies have been constructed to deliberately to hurt black people even after civil rights
>Explains why the fact that blacks commit more crimes isn't sufficient evidence to suggest that it's all genetic
>Everything said in the Video is backed up by extensive research
>Gives concrete solutions on how to fix these issues

Where is YOUR evidence to back up your ridiculus claims about black crime statistics? By all means, watch the whole video, i promise you that you can't debunk it.

>inb4 i get told to shut the fuck up by someone who hasn't watched the video and is triggered by these FACTS
>inb4 someone says oppressing blacks is good
>inb4 someone says bring back slavery
>inb4 someone uses anecdotal evidece
>inb4 someone links black crime statistics withput context and without an analisys of WHY blacks commit more crimes
>inb4 someone calls me a cuck
>inb4 someone says flag checks out
>inb4 "muh slide thread"
>inb4 "sage" because /pol/tard is triggered by a different opinion

keep the dicussion on topic and don't do anything that is mentioned above in the inb4 section. You should be open minded and watch the video instead and dicuss it WITH SOURCES.

i'm open to having my mind changed. but only with reliable sources that explain why the numbers are look like they do.

 

[Spas]

I disagree. It’s not the fault of the 70 iq nigger that he sucks in school, and it’s not the fault of the 5’4 Indian subhuman that he’s ugly and can’t get a girlfriend. In many cases, genetics is a perfectly valid excuse for deficiencies, because no matter how hard someone tries, if they have shit genetics their fucked, and those people should not be mocked and told to just “take responsibility” for things they had no control over.

Sure, but you aren't a 70 iq nigger or a 5'4 indian. Being 70 iq isn't an "excuse" for being stupid, it's just being stupid. I find that way too many people hyperfixate on relatively inconsequential things and make them out to be an insurmountable obstacles

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho]

Sure, but you aren't a 70 iq nigger or a 5'4 indian. Being 70 iq isn't an "excuse" for being stupid, it's just being stupid. I find that way too many people hyperfixate on relatively inconsequential things and make them out to be an insurmountable obstacles

I never claimed to be a 70 iq nigger, meds.
Also I’m a 5’5 ricecel so that’s only marginally better than being a 5’4 Indian
Also being 5’4 or 70 iq and not relatively inconsequential, wtf.
Also being 70 is definitely an excuse for being stupid because it’s not your fault and if someone isn’t your fault than it’s a reasonable excuse for something.

 

[Spas]

I never claimed to be a 70 iq nigger, meds.
Also I’m a 5’5 ricecel so that’s only marginally better than being a 5’4 Indian
Also being 5’4 or 70 iq and not relatively inconsequential, wtf.
Also being 70 is definitely an excuse for being stupid because it’s not your fault and if someone isn’t your fault than it’s a reasonable excuse for something.

I specifically contrasted being 5'4 or 70iq as not inconsequential, and that being 70iq isn't an excuse for stupidity, but stupidity itself

 

[Spas]

I never claimed to be a 70 iq nigger, meds.
Also I’m a 5’5 ricecel so that’s only marginally better than being a 5’4 Indian
Also being 5’4 or 70 iq and not relatively inconsequential, wtf.
Also being 70 is definitely an excuse for being stupid because it’s not your fault and if someone isn’t your fault than it’s a reasonable excuse for something.

Also rip for being a ricecel, maybe move to the glorious socialist people's republic of China or something

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho]

I specifically contrasted being 5'4 or 70iq as not inconsequential, and that being 70iq isn't an excuse for stupidity, but stupidity itself

Oh, I’m a bit retarded at times
But I disagree with the 70 iq argument, I think it’s both.

 

[FrogKing]

he won btw

 

[istanbul]

he won btw
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marge

 

[oxamrazor]

If you talk about if it exist, yes,moron
If you talk about if it’s immutable,well yes
If you think that it is be all and end all then you’re somewhat wrong because after certain lifestyle and enviroment could affect it

 

[AR47]

@Aedra

What I said doesn't imply human logic is entirely worthless, just that there are things that come above it. So if something that logically checks out doesn't fit into, say, the tradition of a religion then that religion would put the tradition above the logic and reject the logical conclusion. There is no contradiction in this because it makes sense within the framework they would be operating on. But this doesn't mean they'd reject logic when it doesn't have anything to do with the religion.

>Human logic
This is deceptive. Logic is not human. Logic is transcendent and suprahuman. And it is something we have access to (we just do, ok?). This is why it is used to discover truth, because it is not dependent on the whims of humans. Now sometimes humans may make mistakes with logic. Every one of us has experienced making a mistake in a math problem. But this is why formalizing arguments in clear language and debating is important.

Religious tradition is always negated by logic. If religious tradition contradicts logic then that religious tradition is false. Simple as. It is never licit to reject logical conclusions. However it is permissible to hold on to a tradition temporarily to wait if any mistakes in an argument against the tradition come to light. But if there emerge no rebuttals to the argument then the religion ought to be discarded.

But this also gives me the right to reject science entirely when it contradicts with my ideas,

It is not permissible to reject empirical evidence, unless you have strong logical arguments for doing so, which I assume you don't have. Empirical evidence against your claims should cause a doubt, which is born of humility, that maybe (you) made a mistake in your thinking instead of the universe conspiring and complicating itself. But I guess humility is foreign to Aedra. According to most Christians God is not a deceiver, therefore we can gain reliable information via empirical investigation. So if empirical results contradict dogma then it would contradict the previously said assertion about God not being a deceiver. This logical contradiction then should cause you to abandon the religion.

In the same manner, we never made the claim that God was logical, we made the claim that God was grace. We asserted that God is above logic, just as he is above everything He created, therefore he's not bound by the logic He gave us either.

God is absolutely bound by logic and math. Logic and math are uncreated. He cannot act outside of them. If he could, then for example he could be omnimalevolent and omnibenevolent at the same time. Logic is necessary for knowledge.

I refuse to believe that the Orthodox church actually teaches what Aedra has just said. If she does than that is sufficient reason to label Orthodoxy as a false religion and reject it.

 

[Aedra]

>Human logic
This is deceptive. Logic is not human. Logic is transcendent and suprahuman. And it is something we have access to (we just do, ok?).

In your opinion. Which I don't particularly care for.

Religious tradition is always negated by logic. If religious tradition contradicts logic then that religious tradition is false. Simple as. It is never licit to reject logical conclusions.

In your opinion.

So if empirical results contradict dogma then it would contradict the previously said assertion about God not being a deceiver. This logical contradiction then should cause you to abandon the religion.

In your opinion.

God is absolutely bound by logic and math. Logic and math are uncreated. He cannot act outside of them.

Yeah, this is not the Orthodox view on the matter so why should I give a damn about your take on it? Once again, your opinion.

It's almost as if this entire wall of text you wrote here is just "That's not true, you can't say that the Christian God is not bound by logic because my personal God is logic, bla bla bla." except it's said several times in a row, in different ways.

I refuse to believe that the Orthodox church actually teaches what Aedra has just said.

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It does.

If she does than that is sufficient reason to label Orthodoxy as a false religion and reject it.

The list of heretics using their logical and rational minds goes on and on, with many still at work today. Simply using our rational and logical minds to understand a God that is far beyond our comprehension are the very things heresies are made of... and how they continue to exist today. If you sit through a presentation from certain heretical groups, they will continually ask you: “Doesn’t this make sense to you?” They learned long ago the best approach is to appeal to rational and logical thinking.

There is Truth in this universe and at some point we have to accept the fact that our rational minds may not arrive at it because some of the things of God are truly beyond our comprehension.

Take seriously these words of the Holy Prophet Isaiah (55:8-9): “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts.”

Our rational or logical minds will never wrap themselves around the Holy Trinity or the Incarnation. Those are truths beyond our comprehension.

If you could understand the Holy Trinity, then the Holy Trinity would not be God.