If you had proof then I don't think anyone would be joking around and we could have a cool conversation. It's shameful that we have someone capable of saying "God isn't real" here but we are still left without anything other than carbon dating of rocks (I am not a catholic or orthodox so it isn't a conflict for me). Hopefully someone joins the forum soon that can defend atheism because it'd be more fun than this.Granted, Hagon is generally mischievous... but DOLL seems to have some real indignation behind his words.