Atheists, why are you atheist?

[WH15KeY]

then do it

I think there are video that do a better job of me at that... I would hope it is rather clear that at least the Abrahamic religions are clearly false.

Do you believe in Adam & Eve?

 

[Hagon]

I think there are video that do a better job of me at that... I would hope it is rather clear that at least the Abrahamic religions are clearly false.

Do you believe in Adam & Eve?

doesn't matter what I believe, if you can disprove it then do it.

 

[WH15KeY]

You can't. God's revelation is above any human logic. It doesn't rely on it to have truth value.

Okay, hahaha. Well, I prefer that than most of what is said here. At least you admit it is purely illogical.

 

[WH15KeY]

doesn't matter what I believe, if you can disprove it then do it.

I never said "I" can disprove it. Of course I would submit the mere mention of supernatural happenings makes the bible to be untrue. You are looking for a "gotcha" moment because that is all you people have.

Are you familiar with the burden of proof?

 

[WH15KeY]

Let's see what we have so far
>Juvenile insults
>"God has to exist because if he didn't life would be meaningless!"
>Prove that God does not exist (Ignores the burden of proof)

 

[Hagon]

Are you familiar with the burden of proof?

Yes, and your claim that religion is false lays the burden at your feet. It would only be my burden if I were claiming God were real, which is not what I've done in this thread, I've only asked that you prove what you've claimed, that being that you can disprove religion with "logic".

You are looking for a "gotcha" moment because that is all you people have.

Is it a gotcha to ask you to prove your claim rather than start asking *me* questions?

 

[WH15KeY]

Yes, and your claim that religion is false lays the burden at your feet. It would only be my burden if I were claiming God were real, which is not what I've done in this thread, I've only asked that you prove what you've claimed, that being that you can disprove religion with "logic".

Is it a gotcha to ask you to prove your claim rather than start asking *me* questions?

Obviously my claim of religion being false is in response to those beliefs being forced upon the general populous. Again, this is you searching for a "gotcha" moment and failing miserably at it. My question was not to put you on the spot, but rather to examine how logical you would be in your analysis. If you, or anyone else truly believes such supernatural things truly occurred in our world... In the most respectful terms possible... I think you are too far gone to engage with.

I have not said "I" myself could prove religion entirely false. Of course I could point out how insane the supernatural occurrences are, but you would just merely say "you won't there"


You, and people like you have this belief that is made of paper. Once the tinniest amount of logic is applied to it you throw a fit like a child.

 

[Aedra]

Okay, hahaha. Well, I prefer that than most of what is said here. At least you admit it is purely illogical.

You are absolutely correct in saying that God is not logical. There is nothing logical about Him. It is not logical to love the human race which constantly spurns that love and continually labors to fill the earth with waste, sin, and cruelty. It is not logical to unite human nature to Yourself in the womb of a Jewish teenager and live among men when You know in advance that this will result in Your crucifixion. It is not logical to tell creatures of dust and ashes, creatures addicted to the pleasures of the senses, that they should become perfect even as God is perfect (Matthew 5:48). It is not logical for God to become Man hoping that Man might in turn become divine. None of this is logical, and the Church never said it was logical. It said it was grace.

God is beyond logic. Like the laws of nature that He Himself made, He transcends logic. God made logic when He made the laws of nature—laws which say that when a man dies, he soon rots, and in four days there is nothing left to do but endure the stench. But these laws are God’s handiwork, not His prison, and He can transcend them if He pleases. If it seems good to Him, He can overcome the laws of nature, and stand outside the tomb of a man four days dead and cry, “Lazarus, come forth!” and the dead man will come forth, leaving the processes of rot and stench and all the other laws of nature behind in the tomb. “When God so wills, the laws of nature are overcome,” as the Church sings. Our God is the God Who rises above logic and nature, and frustrates laws that mere creation finds inflexible. He covers Himself with light as with a garment; He stretches out the heaven as if it were a mere tent curtain; He makes the clouds His chariot; He rides on the wings of the wind. In Christ this God draws near to us and shares our flesh and our creaturehood. He calls the Father His God, and calls us to be His brothers. This is our hope; this is our boast. Our God is not logical at all. He is the Lord, and has revealed Himself to us. We as Orthodox prefer to admit to the limits of human logic instead of attempting to explain what cannot be explained. That's simply how it is.

 

[WH15KeY]

You are absolutely correct in saying that God is not logical. There is nothing logical about Him. It is not logical to love the human race which constantly spurns that love and continually labors to fill the earth with waste, sin, and cruelty. It is not logical to unite human nature to Yourself in the womb of a Jewish teenager and live among men when You know in advance that this will result in Your crucifixion. It is not logical to tell creatures of dust and ashes, creatures addicted to the pleasures of the senses, that they should become perfect even as God is perfect (Matthew 5:48). It is not logical for God to become Man hoping that Man might in turn become divine. None of this is logical, and the Church never said it was logical. It said it was grace.

God is beyond logic. Like the laws of nature that He Himself made, He transcends logic. God made logic when He made the laws of nature—laws which say that when a man dies, he soon rots, and in four days there is nothing left to do but endure the stench. But these laws are God’s handiwork, not His prison, and He can transcend them if He pleases. If it seems good to Him, He can overcome the laws of nature, and stand outside the tomb of a man four days dead and cry, “Lazarus, come forth!” and the dead man will come forth, leaving the processes of rot and stench and all the other laws of nature behind in the tomb. “When God so wills, the laws of nature are overcome,” as the Church sings. Our God is the God Who rises above logic and nature, and frustrates laws that mere creation finds inflexible. He covers Himself with light as with a garment; He stretches out the heaven as if it were a mere tent curtain; He makes the clouds His chariot; He rides on the wings of the wind. In Christ this God draws near to us and shares our flesh and our creaturehood. He calls the Father His God, and calls us to be His brothers. This is our hope; this is our boast. Our God is not logical at all. He is the Lord, and has revealed Himself to us. We as Orthodox prefer to admit to the limits of human logic instead of attempting to explain what cannot be explained. That's simply how it is.

You can write well, and that is fantastic... But again, this is just "God has to exist because if he didn't life would be pointless"

Applying such thinking into politics and your into world view is dangerous. We have seen what having beliefs and forcing them upon the world because it might make us feel good in spite of logic has done...

 

[Hagon]

Obviously my claim of religion being false is in response to those beliefs being forced upon the general populous.

Irrelevant

Again, this is you searching for a "gotcha" moment and failing miserably

All I asked was that you demonstrate how religion can be "disproven", you have not even begun to do this. You have completely ignored it, the best I got from you was "u-uhhm I can't but w-well I watched a youtube video about it"

My question was not to put you on the spot, but rather to examine how logical you would be in your analysis.

My analysis is irrelevant, I'm asking you to prove that religion is false, my goal is not to prove to you that religion is correct. I did not say religion could be proven, you however *did* say it could be disproven.

If you, or anyone else truly believes such supernatural things truly occurred in our world... In the most respectful terms possible... I think you are too far gone to engage with.

Not an argument.

I have not said "I" myself could prove religion entirely false. Of course I could point out how insane the supernatural occurrences are, but you would just merely say "you won't there"

>You can disprove religion with logic
<then do it
>o-o-oh w-w-well I c-can't...
Imagine if I said "Religion can be proven by logic!" and then when you asked how I said "well i can't lol" and gave no elaboration, I'm sure you'd understand why that's a retarded thing to do.

You, and people like you have this belief that is made of paper. Once the tinniest amount of logic is applied to it you throw a fit like a child.

you just kinda floundered around about the burden of proof and other nothingburgers. Like "erm supernatural things can't happen", because I guess God would be incapable of miracles, according to you.

 

[WH15KeY]

Irrelevant

All I asked was that you demonstrate how religion can be "disproved", you have not even begun to do this. You have completely ignored it, the best I got from you was "u-uhhm I can't but w-well I watched a youtube video about it"

My analysis is irrelevant, I'm asking you to prove that religion is false, my goal is not to prove to you that religion is correct. I did not say religion could be proven, you however *did* say it could be disproven.

Not an argument.

>You can disprove religion with logic
<then do it
>o-o-oh w-w-well I c-can't...
Imagine if I said "Religion can be proven by logic!" and then when you asked how I said "well i can't lol" and gave no elaboration, I'm sure you'd understand why that's a retarded thing to do.

you just kinda floundered around about the burden of proof and other nothingburgers. Like "erm supernatural things can't happen", because I guess God would be incapable of miracles, according to you.

Alright, man. I'll allow you to believe you have achieved this gotcha moment. You appear to be more interested in being intentionally obtuse.

 

[Hagon]

Alright, man. I'll allow you to believe you have achieved this gotcha moment. You appear to be more interested in being intentionally obtuse

You keep calling it a gotcha moment, this is because you *know* that what you said is fucking retarded, and that if you were to try and explain it you would not be able to, and I would've "got you" and made you feel embarrassed, so instead you have to refuse to address it and run away. This is often referred to as "losing the argument". I win btw.

 

[WH15KeY]

You keep calling it a gotcha moment, this is because you *know* that what you said is fucking retarded, and that if you were to try and explain it you would not be able to, and I would've "got you" and made you feel embarrassed, so instead you have to refuse to address it and run away. This is often referred to as "losing the argument". I win btw.
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Is that all? The "gotcha" is you claiming I said I could prove religion to be false... and then taking it as a win if I say I cannot 100% do such a thing. You are not embarrassing me with these taunts, you are only making me (and perhaps a few silent users) believe you actually have a double digit IQ.


You know fully what my comments were meant to say, and you have intentionally misinterpreted them.

 

[Brainstorm]

 

[Hagon]

. and then taking it as a win if I say I cannot 100% do such a thing.

you didn't do 1% of it, you made absolutely no argument, this is called "being a little pissbaby retard" and "a faggot". What I do is called "winning". Though I do quite like the part about "a few silent users", having to cope with the fact that no one has taken your side by believing there are invisible sky-friends siding with you is actually quite funny.

 

[WH15KeY]

you didn't do 1% of it, you made absolutely no argument, this is called "being a little pissbaby retard" and "a faggot". What I do is called "winning". Though I do quite like the part about "a few silent users", having to cope with the fact that no one has taken your side by believing there are invisible sky-friends siding with you is actually quite funny.
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You got me, man. Just don't post the fedora.

 

[Hagon]

You got me, man.

Obviously, I always win.

 

[WH15KeY]

Obviously, I always win.

How old do you think the earth is? I need something to laugh at.

 

[Hagon]

How old do you think the earth is? I need something to laugh at.

You can take your loss and leave my thread now, rather than try to drag this argument on. I've already won and I don't have anything more to get out of you.

 

[Spas]

>religion is easily disproved
<ok do it
>erm... find a youtube video to watch or something