Discussion What are your reasons for not being a Christian?

[Fortuna]

Yeah nah, my dad isn't in my life anymore. Went to go fuck prostitutes.
Believing in god might aswell be the same thing as having a tulpa, which is some gay shit im ngl.

Sorry.

 

[Soygoy]

Sorry.

You're really good at apologizing.

 

[baqqrih]

I mean you can't really think your way into Christianity. There's no evidence for it. You need faith.

I think you can, and that there is evidence for it (the many witnesses of Jesus' resurrection, for one example), but, yes, you'd need faith for that evidence to actually comply with one's own mind.

Yeah nah, my dad isn't in my life anymore.

Sorry to hear that. It explains a good bit.

 

[Fortuna]

the many witnesses of Jesus' resurrection, for one example

It's not really evidence. It's just words in a book.

You're really good at apologizing.

I don't know if you're insulting me or not.

 

[baqqrih]

It's not really evidence. It's just words in a book.

Yeah, I guess it wouldn't fit the technical bill for "evidence", as in, something someone just sees as a fact like the green of the grass and the blue of the sky and believes, but that's where faith comes in, then; it's evidence powered by someone's faith.

 

[Soygoy]

Yeah, I guess it wouldn't fit the technical bill for "evidence", as in, something someone just sees as a fact like the green of the grass and the blue of the sky and believes, but that's where faith comes in, then; it's evidence powered by someone's faith.

Witness testimonies aren't really that great of evidence either to be honest, like with Santa Claus, people lie. All the time.

 

[baqqrih]

Witness testimonies aren't really that great of evidence either to be honest, like with Santa Claus, people lie. All the time.

Yeah, fulfilled prophecies are probably better pieces of evidence.

 

[Fortuna]

Witness testimonies aren't really that great of evidence either to be honest, like with Santa Claus, people lie. All the time.

I would never tell a lie.

 

[Soygoy]

Yeah, fulfilled prophecies are probably better pieces of evidence.

Even if a prophecy can be created after it has already been fulfilled? Seems like a nothingburger to me.

 

[baqqrih]

Even if a prophecy can be created after it has already been fulfilled? Seems like a nothingburger to me.

Which prophecy are you referring to that was created after being fulfilled?

 

[Soygoy]

Which prophecy are you referring to that was created after being fulfilled?

Why not all of them?

 

[baqqrih]

Why not all of them?

Huh? I mean, you need to be more specific than that. It's ridiculous if you're saying that they re-wrote the entire Old Testament after the prophecies were fulfilled by Christ.

 

[Soygoy]

Huh? I mean, you need to be more specific than that. It's ridiculous if you're saying that they re-wrote the entire Old Testament after the prophecies were fulfilled by Christ.

No, I'm saying that those books are nothing but malarkey fictional stories that everyone pretends to be real, because they're forced to believe it is so. If they heed, they'll be good little peasants and get food and it creates a lovely sense of community. If a prophecy is foretold and something mildly similar to it happens, then it's not confirmation bias, it's the prophecy! It's been fulfilled! And similarly, writing is never to be trusted on anything. Don't you know? Screenshots... can be faked. DMs... not real...

Last joking part aside, I don't care if they didn't have any better way of keeping track of actual history, even if it was real, it doesn't affect us today, it's so old that it really doesn't matter anymore, and if anything, trusting an extremely old piece of evidence which is based off of uncredible witness testimonies from a bunch of literal whos, is quite literally outdated and unreliable. You can't use god or jesus as evidence in court, for example.

The way our world works has changed, faith isn't enough. And I'm glad we have the technology we have today to actually prove things without a shred of a doubt. Plus what's in the bible that's so important anyways, that god exists? Okay, and? I don't care. Good for you though.

 

[Fortuna]

No, I'm saying that those books are nothing but malarkey fictional stories that everyone pretends to be real, because they're forced to believe it is so. If they heed, they'll be good little peasants and get food and it creates a lovely sense of community. If a prophecy is foretold and something mildly similar to it happens, then it's not confirmation bias, it's the prophecy! It's been fulfilled! And similarly, writing is never to be trusted on anything. Don't you know? Screenshots... can be faked. DMs... not real...

Last joking part aside, I don't care if they didn't have any better way of keeping track of actual history, even if it was real, it doesn't affect us today, it's so old that it really doesn't matter anymore, and if anything, trusting an extremely old piece of evidence which is based off of uncredible witness testimonies from a bunch of literal whos, is quite literally outdated and unreliable. You can't use god or jesus as evidence in court, for example.

The way our world works has changed, faith isn't enough. And I'm glad we have the technology we have today to actually prove things without a shred of a doubt. Plus what's in the bible that's so important anyways, that god exists? Okay, and? I don't care. Good for you though.

I think you would be a better person if you were a Christian, for what it's worth.

 

[baqqrih]

No, I'm saying that those books are nothing but malarkey fictional stories that everyone pretends to be real, because they're forced to believe it is so. If they heed, they'll be good little peasants and get food and it creates a lovely sense of community. If a prophecy is foretold and something mildly similar to it happens, then it's not confirmation bias, it's the prophecy! It's been fulfilled! And similarly, writing is never to be trusted on anything. Don't you know? Screenshots... can be faked. DMs... not real...

Last joking part aside, I don't care if they didn't have any better way of keeping track of actual history, even if it was real, it doesn't affect us today, it's so old that it really doesn't matter anymore, and if anything, trusting an extremely old piece of evidence which is based off of uncredible witness testimonies from a bunch of literal whos, is quite literally outdated and unreliable. You can't use god or jesus as evidence in court, for example.

The way our world works has changed, faith isn't enough. And I'm glad we have the technology we have today to actually prove things without a shred of a doubt. Plus what's in the bible that's so important anyways, that god exists? Okay, and? I don't care. Good for you though.

Fair enough, then. You aren't going to believe anything that I'm telling you, anyway, so I shouldn't waste my words any further.

 

[Soygoy]

Fair enough, then. You aren't going to believe anything that I'm telling you, anyway, so I shouldn't waste my words any further.

Pretty much, why should I take your word for it? I should take God's word for it instead.
And he has yet to return my calls or DMS.

 

[Fortuna]

Pretty much, why should I take your word for it? I should take God's word for it instead.
And he has yet to return my calls or DMS.

I don't think I'd want to talk to someone who doesn't believe I exist either.

 

[Soygoy]

I don't think I'd want to talk to someone who doesn't believe I exist either.

You exist though. Even if I didn't believe you existed, you physically do exist, and you can talk to me regardless, so that doesn't really prove anything, it just proves that people who have faith in God are prone to religious delusions. I'd like to believe the British TV License doesn't exist, and yet it does.

 

[Fortuna]

You exist though. Even if I didn't believe you existed, you physically do exist, and you can talk to me regardless, so that doesn't really prove anything, it just proves that people who have faith in God are prone to religious delusions. I'd like to believe the British TV License doesn't exist, and yet it does.

You can't prove I exist.

 

[Soygoy]

You can't prove I exist.

Well I'm talking to somebody, aren't I? Even if you don't exist, I still don't care. I don't get why God existing is such a big deal anyways, he either does or doesn't, so who cares?
As for god, well, if he does exist, then how come I haven't had a single interaction with him, and if he did exist at some point, just admit that he doesn't exist anymore, he's dead.