Is it possible to be anti-capitalist from a right-wing perspective?

[Brainstorm]

Anti capitalist fags lost, capitalism won

 

[DonutHole]

Gleichschaltung was Germany's policy at the time. "Consolidation. All of the German Volk's social, political, and cultural organizations to be controlled and run according to Nazi ideology and policy. All opposition to be eliminated." Sounds a lot like nationalizing but with extra steps.

I does not. like at all. They are still owned by private individuals. It doesn't matter that the government imposes a no degeneracy clause or whatever

 

[SmallAnus]

I does not. like at all. They are still owned by private individuals. It doesn't matter that the government imposes a no degeneracy clause or whatever

When something is owned by state, it still has to be run by someone appointed by the state. So if you nationalize an oil company, you would still assign the position of running that oil company to someone.

Dictating who owns a company based on their loyalty to the state seems like nationalizing in all but name. Businesses owned by party members and the party runs the state. Party members who would follow the interests of the party without question.

The only difference is that the state doesn't control it, only whoever does. So it's like ownership by proxy. Doesn't seem like capitalism

 

[HACKERMAN88]

Nazis were anti-capitalist. They would have party members own business as their own way of nationalizing.

nazis were on the line between the left and the right, they were (attemptedly) socialist

 

[SmallAnus]

nazis were on the line between the left and the right, they were (attemptedly) socialist

nazism was the synthesis or something

 

[DonutHole]

When something is owned by state, it still has to be run by someone appointed by the state. So if you nationalize an oil company, you would still assign the position of running that oil company to someone.

Dictating who owns a company based on their loyalty to the state seems like nationalizing in all but name. Businesses owned by party members and the party runs the state. Party members who would follow the interests of the party without question.

The only difference is that the state doesn't control it, only whoever does. So it's like ownership by proxy. Doesn't seem like capitalism

That isn't it at all. High ranking party members using their positions to create monopolies doesn't make those industries state owned. They are still owned by private indivduals and operate as such. Seriously, If larry fink became a congressman, does this make blackrock "state owned" ridiculous logic.

 

[Anon_Humor]

>anti-capitalist
>individual private ownership
What did he mean by this

they werent anti-capitalist (totally since they were'nt radical jewish marxists or bolsheviks.) And yes they were pro Socialist as long as it wasnt marxian/bolshevik/internationale socialism; but they were anti-communist; The Nazis were Really Just Social Democrats who liked a mixed economy of both socialism and capitalism to get the best of both sides for the german people hence the name "National-Socialist" (this was also a way of them opposing internationale marxian bolshevik socialism and also how they were socialists only for their peoples and nation.) and they didnt like radical jewish communism that totally destroyed capitalism and culture, religion, aryans, ETC nor did they totally like capitalism which via class exploitation would wrong the workers and lead way for bolshevik revolutions which they wanted to prevent and stop entireley.

 

[AshkeNazi]

nazis were on the line between the left and the right, they were (attemptedly) socialist

they were fascist (right-wing socialist)

 

[DonutHole]

they werent anti-capitalist (totally since they were'nt radical jewish marxists or bolsheviks.) And yes they were pro Socialist as long as it wasnt marxian/bolshevik/internationale socialism; but they were anti-communist; The Nazis were Really Just Social Democrats who liked a mixed economy of both socialism and capitalism to get the best of both sides for the german people hence the name "National-Socialist" (this was also a way of them opposing internationale marxian bolshevik socialism and also how they were socialists only for their peoples and nation.) and they didnt like radical jewish communism that totally destroyed capitalism and culture, religion, aryans, ETC nor did they totally like capitalism which via class exploitation would wrong the workers and lead way for bolshevik revolutions which they wanted to prevent and stop entireley.

You cannot "mix" socialism and capitalism this is liberal delusion. Social Democracy isn't Socialism and they haven't even pretended to be socialists for a very long time. Socialism is not when everything is free. Socialism is the complete socialization of the means of production. This is incompatible with Capitalism which enshrines "property rights".

 

[AshkeNazi]

You cannot "mix" socialism and capitalism this is liberal delusion.

what would you call the NEP then?

 

[DonutHole]

what would you call the NEP then?

Basic idea Feudalism --> Capitalism ---> Socialism ---> Communism

 

[AshkeNazi]

Basic idea Feudalism --> Capitalism ---> Socialism ---> Communism

so you're saying the NEP was capitalist and not socialist?

 

[Drvzwig]

Like, say, you oppose capitalism because it causes decadence, degeneracy, and homosexuality. Would that be a right-wing reason to oppose capitalism?

Of course!,why wound xhey?some right wingers support maybe a bit just so economy doesnt fall,and some are either neo pagan larp living in forest neo luddist anarho/green anarcho fascists,you GYAT to find ur own mentality chvd...

 

[Anon_Humor]

You cannot "mix" socialism and capitalism this is liberal delusion. Social Democracy isn't Socialism and they haven't even pretended to be socialists for a very long time. Socialism is not when everything is free. Socialism is the complete socialization of the means of production. This is incompatible with Capitalism which enshrines "property rights".

they were a mix of socdem and fascist (right wing socialists.) the nazis did nationalize and colectivise all of the industry (fascist socialism.) but left some so that the german people would prosper and to not have any worrys of a jewish bolshevik revolution that would take advantage of the workers spite for the capitalist system then use them as pawns to overthrow tradittional europe (like what were seeing today in the west.) so fascism and fascists were right wing culturally to preserve there people and nations and left wing economicaly so that the fascist regime and its native peoples could prosper; They were doing this to prevent bolshevik-jewish takeover but to still give the people what they want (Socialism.) without the destruction of the peoples and nation and culture and a jewish takeover and how they would give socialism was through fascism and fascism would give the people what they want while stopping and preventing a radical jewish-bolshevik takeover and the destruction of evrope and the world (What we are seeing today do to them losing ww2.) Also we see the proof of them wanting and destroying and preventing bolshevism (Franco and the falange in spain, Mussolini and the fascists in italy, hitler and the nazis in germany,szalasi in hungary, ETC.) all prevented bolshevik-jewish takeovers by implenting fascism giving the people what they want (Socialism.) but still being right wing to defend their peoples and nations.)

 

[DonutHole]

>they were a mix of socdem and fascist (right wing socialists)
Again, social democrats are not socialists and haven't been since the time of Marx. They are welfare capitalists.
>the nazis did nationalize and colectivise all of the industry
The opposite is true. Right when the nazis came to power, they introduced a policy of mass privatization. Even before coming to power, Hitler told many key German industrial capitalists that their interests would be respected. This was also one of the reasons the SA got purged. As Rohm himself favored mass nationalizations as opposed to Hitler. The rest of your worldslop is generic fascist dogma.

 

[DonutHole]

so you're saying the NEP was capitalist and not socialist?

Yeah, it was a temporary measured based on Lenin's personal view that Russia was too feudal for socialism.

 

[Anon_Humor]

You cannot "mix" socialism and capitalism this is liberal delusion. Social Democracy isn't Socialism and they haven't even pretended to be socialists for a very long time. Socialism is not when everything is free. Socialism is the complete socialization of the means of production. This is incompatible with Capitalism which enshrines "property rights".

they were a mix of socdem and fascist (right wing socialists.) the nazis did nationalize and colectivise all of the industry (fascist socialism.) but left some so that the german people would prosper and to not have any worrys of a jewish bolshevik revolution that would take advantage of the workers spite for the capitalist system then use them as pawns to overthrow tradittional europe (like what were seeing today in the west.) so fascism and fascists were right wing culturally to preserve there people and nations and left wing economicaly so that the fascist regime and its native peoples could prosper; They were doing this to prevent bolshevik-jewish takeover but to still give the people what they want (Socialism.) without the destruction of the peoples and nation and culture and a jewish takeover and how they would give socialism was through fascism and fascism would give the people what they want while stopping and preventing a radical jewish-bolshevik takeover and the destruction of evrope and the world (What we are seeing today do to them losing ww2.) Also we see the proof of them wanting and destroying and preventing bolshevism (Franco and the falange in spain, Mussolini and the fascists in italy, hitler and the nazis in germany,szalasi in hungary, ETC.) all prevented bolshevik-jewish takeovers by implenting fascism giving the people what they want (Socialism.) but still being right wing to defend their peoples and nations.)

>they were a mix of socdem and fascist (right wing socialists)
Again, social democrats are not socialists and haven't been since the time of Marx. They are welfare capitalists.
>the nazis did nationalize and colectivise all of the industry
The opposite is true. Right when the nazis came to power, they introduced a policy of mass privatization. Even before coming to power, Hitler told many key German industrial capitalists that their interests would be respected. This was also one of the reasons the SA got purged. As Rohm himself favored mass nationalizations as opposed to Hitler. The rest of your worldslop is generic fascist dogma.

no they did nationalise and collectivise some industry and socdems are socialists but not marxian socialists

 

[FrogKing]

The Nazis were Really Just Social Democrats

Correct. The Nazis weren't socialist because they had commodity production and the value-form. That's all that's needed to prove that the Nazis weren't socialist.

 

[Brainstorm]

Correct. The Nazis weren't socialist because they had commodity production and the value-form. That's all that's needed to prove that the Nazis weren't socialist.

They owned everything though

 

[FrogKing]

They owned everything though

you're retarded