thread_prefix.19 General christian thread

Logged back on just to share a paper written by Daniel von Wachten, a christian religion philosoph specialized in subjects like causality, ontologie and metaphysics from germany. I fust found out about him and he seems extremelly interesting, might buy some of his books.

I found him by reflecting back on a talk I had with the friend I took on my hike last month about miracles and the laws of nature (He's an atheist), and about whether miracles can exist in the first place in a world ruled by laws if they are defined as law breaking.
The paper is titled : "MIRACLES ARE NOT VIOLATIONS OF THE LAWS OF NATURE BECAUSE THE LAWS DO NOT ENTAIL REGULARITIES".
I just read the first chapter, I think I'm going to like this one.

Here's the paper :
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://philarchive.org/archive/VONMAN-4#:~:text=Miracles%20are%20also%20not%20exceptions,apply%20also%20to%20divine%20interventions.
Here's the wikipedia page of the author :
 
>Yes, those people were Christians, I don't know what you're trying to say. The Israelites (like in Numbers) were not "Christians" as the term could be defined, since they did not have the New Covenant, they had the Old Covenant. The New Covenant is what would make someone a "Christian", since it is the only covenant, having superceded the Old Covenant, and it requires that one follows Christ and accepts His gift.
My point is that you follow the same god.
>We aren't being punished specifically because of the apple, we're being punished because of the effect of that sin that made us sinful and that fell the universe into evil.
Something that man has no responsibility over. He still chose to put the apple, adam and eve all there knowing all this would happen. He chose to create mankind knowing he'd have to exil adam and eve from the garden of eden, knowing he'd flood the world after becoming disgusted with man knowing every terrible thing would happen. He did all of this just to have people to grovel at his feet and whine about how evil they are and how much they need him. It's disgusting.
>If the government locks up a schizophrenic man in jail for killing someone, even if he may've thought of his action as innocent because of how he saw it within his mental condition, he still violated the law, despite not being able to help it because of how schizophrenic and mentally unwell he naturally was.
I do not see the correlation between being born "corrupted" and being schizophrenic. If you're gonna say "well you can't understand god's perspective" I hope you understand that that's not very convincing.
>Similarly, we're naturally evil, terrible people, but Christ's gift absolves us of the punishment for the evil that we have done and that we will do for as long as we believe in He as God and as our savior from this punishment with truth in our hearts of His moral superiority that we make an active effort to follow.
Dogma. Meaningless buzzing. There is nothing to suggest such a thing as human nature exists.
>God is not evil because, simply put, God is the definer of all that is evil and all that is good, and we are morally inferior to Him because we are not of His infinite power
No. I can define my own good and evil (which are abstractions) so that is easily proven false. There is nothing to prove that his morals are objective, only if you already believe in him.
>we are morally inferior to Him because we are not of His infinite power
What do you mean by this? That he is omniscient? Again this is relevant only if you already believe this to be true.
>so all that He wills is meant to happen, even if things that do happen are, obviously, bad and cause suffering, for in the end it still contributes to the plan of The Lord to guide people to Him.
So a child being born with a horrible disfigurement and suffering for hours until it dies is all part of the plan and is completely necessary for.... Something? What exactly? Why exactly is that necessary and what exactly is his plan leading to? The only answer being "We cannot understand, you must have faith" is disappointing. I've heard it a million times over.
>The Crusades are a whole other thing, but, in the simplest terms, if a man actively chose to do what you speak, of slaughtering thousands of innocent people in the name of The Lord, or razing entire cities and communities, he was not a true follower of Christ even if he proclaimed himself as such, because he did not actively follow the will of Christ because he commit such evils. If he was a true believer, Christ and belief in the faith would have such a profound impact on him that he would not dare commit such things all willy-nilly, as you say these people would.
Then god should have made his text clearer on this subject. Surely you'd understand that someone would get the wrong idea when they see the similar atrocities god permits and even orders in the bible. As one example 1 Samuel 15:2 to 3.
i am not fucking reading all of that
 
Larping normie mainstream christian shitttttt.

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There's a community of protestant monks in france, or rather Daniel Bourguet, it's current leader, lives as a monk in the french mountains and offers christians times of spiritual retreat. Apparently, the community has some catholics and orthodox members too.
I think I'm gonna go there at some point
 
what do they do there
Mostly prayer, they follow jesus' command in matthew 26 to "watch and pray", hence the name "order of watchers".
The whole idea is to center their time around prayer, which is more or less what monks do
 
Mostly prayer, it follows jesus' command in matthew 26 to "watch and pray", hence the name "order of watchers".
The whole idea is to center their time around prayer, which is more or less what monks do
how do you guys pray? is it similiar to ours? is it scheduled?
 
how do you guys pray? is it similiar to ours? is it scheduled?
There is not one way to pray.
Ultimately, praying can be defined in christianity as "being in communion with God", and man through the Church has many ways to achieve this communion.
Paul in his epistles tells the christians to "never cease praying", meaning that ultiimately prayer has to become a second nature to us, something that becomes more than an action, a state of the mind.
And to achieve this, since this communion is also a communication, you can talk.
Protestants prefer spontaneous prayer, in which the person choses the words of their heart.
Orthodox prefer repetitive prayer, and especially in modern times following the revival of Athos' hesychasmic tradition.
Catholics like to do both I believe, and they are very fond of their different prayer chaplets (especially the rosary), the orthodox have only one I believe and protestants have none.

But ultimately, the three agree that prayer has to become a constant state of mind ultimately
 
There's a community of protestant monks in france, or rather Daniel Bourguet, it's current leader, lives as a monk in the french mountains and offers christians times of spiritual retreat. Apparently, the community has some catholics and orthodox members too.
I think I'm gonna go there at some point
Wow, super cool. I wonder if I could find something similar, here in America.
 
There is not one way to pray.
Ultimately, praying can be defined in christianity as "being in communion with God", and man through the Church has many ways to achieve this communion.
Paul in his epistles tells the christians to "never cease praying", meaning that ultiimately prayer has to become a second nature to us, something that becomes more than an action, a state of the mind.
And to achieve this, since this communion is also a communication, you can talk.
Protestants prefer spontaneous prayer, in which the person choses the words of their heart.
Orthodox prefer repetitive prayer, and especially in modern times following the revival of Athos' hesychasmic tradition.
Catholics like to do both I believe, and they are very fond of their different prayer chaplets (especially the rosary), the orthodox have only one I believe and protestants have none.

But ultimately, the three agree that prayer has to become a constant state of mind ultimately
can prayer just be remembrance then?
 
can prayer just be remembrance then?
I think remembrance can be part of prayer, absolutely, but in and of it's own it's a bit void of relationship.
And communion with God is a relationship.
You can remember something on your own, and that would not be being in relationship with someone, but if you actively talk with someone and relive a memory with them, then it becomes a relationship (french - english translation might have caused some problem in my explanation here, sorry).

To a degree, Easter, and every other christian event and even the litturgy of sunday and the Eucharist is rememberance, and it is a sacrament as well as a communion with God, a prayer of the whole Church as a single body.
 
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