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[Nihilma]

Here's what the Bible actually says..

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Isaiah 64:6

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Galatians 2:20-21

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

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Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 1 - King James Version

Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia: Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, Who gave himself for our...

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Yes, Faith saves. But please nagolbud read everything I write here.
But what does this grace entail ?
Romans 6:1, “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?”
James 2:17 "Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead."

Therefore faith saves, but having faith means changing your life.
You will never be righteous in your actions, and never before the eyes of God will you be just by your actions. You just cannot.
But accepting the gift of christ means repenting, asking for forgiveness for your sins, and trying your best to leave them behind.
You will not succeed and you will sin again, but as long as you keep repenting before God, you can have assurance of your salvation through faith in Christ

 

[Nihilma]

re·pent·ance
sincere regret or remorse.

It does not mean turning from sin, or stopping sin as fake christians like to larp.

Repentence means TRYING to stop sinning. You cannot stop sinning completely, no human is capable of that apart from Christ

 

[Aedra]

Ohio ass autistic argument.

 

[X Immigrant]

Even though you were participating in it

 

[Nihilma]

Ohio ass autistic argument.

Theology can look a bit autistic to outsiders, true

 

[nagolbud]

Yes, Faith saves. But please nagolbud read everything I write here.
But what does this grace entail ?
Romans 6:1, “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?”
James 2:17 "Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead."

Therefore faith saves, but having faith means changing your life.
You will never be righteous in your actions, and never before the eyes of God will you be just by your actions. You just cannot.
But accepting the gift of christ means repenting, asking for forgiveness for your sins, and trying your best to leave them behind.
You will not succeed and you will sin again, but as long as you keep repenting before God, you can have assurance of your salvation through faith in Christ

James 2 is talking about the fruits of someone that is already saved. It has nothing to do with salvation. Salvation and works that come after salvation are two separate topics that false christians like to combine, because then it forces you into the cult of perfection. Thus needing to remain in a religious cult in hopes you get to heaven. It's a twisting of scripture, and a trap... salvation itself is by faith alone. Nothing you can do will ever get you into heaven.

What you do after salvation, by faith, is between you and God. A women providing a warm meal for her husband will never get her salvation, however it is good works that provide for her family which is good in the eyes of God. These two concepts cannot be mingled. Salvation and works after salvation are different subjects, James 2 refers to AFTER salvation by faith.

 

[Aedra]

Even though you were participating in it

Theology can look a bit autistic to outsiders, true

Yeah I know. I never claimed I wasn't among the obsessed.

 

[X Immigrant]

James 2 is talking about the fruits of someone that is already saved. It has nothing to do with salvation.

No, it doesn't. It's literally comparing someone who is only faithful to how the devils act...

 

[Nihilma]

James 2 is talking about the fruits of someone that is already saved. It has nothing to do with salvation. Salvation and works that come after salvation are two separate topics that false christians like to combine, because then it forces you into the cult of perfection. Thus needing to remain in a religious cult in hopes you get to heaven. It's a twisting of scripture, and a trap... salvation itself is by faith alone. Nothing you can do will ever get you into heaven.

No you twist my words.
But you're kind of getting what I'm saying I think.
I'm not saying you can ever save yourself BY works, but the saving of Christ by faith then translates into the works of your life, so yes I think we both say the same stuff more or less

 

[nagolbud]

No you twist my words.
But you're kind of getting what I'm saying I think.
I'm not saying you can ever save yourself BY works, but the saving of Christ by faith then translates into the works of your life, so yes I think we both say the same stuff more or less

No, not really. You don't have to do good works to maintain salvation, get salvation, it's simply something between you and Jesus Christ.

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Isaiah 64:6

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Galatians 2:20-21

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

You cannot lose salvation... all you can lose is gifts and fruits by continuing in sin rather than doing something that God has called you to do. If you give up your gifts after salvation, you will never lose salvation, you just won't live a fruitful existence. However the flesh is proof that you will never get to perfection, and striving for perfection is a delusional fairy tale, and never achievable. Thus the need for faith in Jesus Christ.

However good works for salvation, is total rubbish anti bible nonsense.

Once you are saved by faith, you are sealed in the book of life, if you choose to sin rather than use your gifts, which is free will, He will call up another to fill that role. That's what James 2 is about. It's not about salvation. No one however, will ever remove all sin from their life. This is narcissistic pride aka religion.

 

[Nihilma]

No, not really. You don't have to do good works to maintain salvation, get salvation, it's simply something between you and Jesus Christ.

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Isaiah 64:6

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Galatians 2:20-21

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

You cannot lose salvation... all you can lose is gifts and fruits by continuing in sin rather than doing something that God has called you to do. If you give up your gifts after salvation, you will never lose salvation, you just won't live a fruitful existence. However the flesh is proof that you will never get to perfection, and striving for perfection is a delusional fairy tale, and never achievable. Thus the need for faith in Jesus Christ.

Yeah then this conversation translates into the debate around salvation and if we lose it or not, this is also a debate on predestination then, not really salvation and works.
I do believe one can lose his salvation, because I believe that God in his love always lets people have their choice, even those whom are saved. It doesn't mean that God hasn't managed to save a christian, simply that the christian fell in temptation and was led astray, hence losing his salvation.
But predestination isn't a topic I master completely so this is an area where I do admit of not being able to hold a conversation at a high level

 

[nagolbud]

Yeah then this conversation translates into the debate around salvation and if we lose it or not, this is also a debate on predestination then, not really salvation and works.
I do believe one can lose his salvation, because I believe that God in his love always lets people have their choice, even those whom are saved. It doesn't mean that God hasn't managed to save a christian, simply that the christian fell in temptation and was led astray, hence losing his salvation.
But predestination isn't a topic I master completely so this is an area where I do admit of not being able to hold a conversation at a high level

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Losing salvation is a ruse from satan and religion. What loving God would die for all your sins and then take the gift of salvation back because you were a bad boy? He already knew you were a bad boy, He still paid the penalty, IN FULL, knowing you would always sin in the flesh. How could you possibly lose salvation for sin when He already died for ALL of your sins?

 

[X Immigrant]

Faith without works is dead. They aren't two different things. They are the same thing.

 

[nagolbud]

Faith without works is dead. They aren't two different things. They are the same thing.

Is that what the cracker throwers told you? How convenient that you can never find comfort in salvation because you never know you have it, thus needing some pagan priest to tell you how to think. Grow up already...

How many crackers must one throw to get salvation orthodix?

 

[Nihilma]

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Losing salvation is a ruse from satan and religion. What loving God would die for all your sins and then take the gift of salvation back because you were a bad boy? He already knew you were a bad boy, He still paid the penalty, IN FULL, knowing you would always sin in the flesh.

As said this is not a conversation I can hold so I'm not going to try to hold it.

however I interpret this verse a different way. I beliebe that everlastng life is the gift one receives after death, literal everlasting life, not just spiritual life but actual physical life on the redeemed new earth.
Therefore, whoever believeth means whoever believes till the end receives after death the gift of everlasting life.

I don't believe God takes the gift of salvation away, I believe that in man's own free will, man can chose to take their own salvation away, as adam and eve did in the garden.

 

[X Immigrant]

Is that what the cracker throwers told you? How convenient that you can never find comfort in salvation because you never know you have it, thus needing some pagan priest to tell you how to think. Grow up already...

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How many crackers must one throw to get salvation orthodix?

TSMT xister! Let's murder babies and fuck dogs as long as we have faith in Christ! I can see why you would hold this opinion.

 

[nagolbud]

As said this is not a conversation I can hold so I'm not going to try to hold it.

however I interpret this verse a different way. I beliebe that everlastng life is the gift one receives after death, literal everlasting life, not just spiritual life but actual physical life on the redeemed new earth.
Therefore, whoever believeth means whoever believes till the end receives after death the gift of everlasting life.

I don't believe God takes the gift of salvation away, I believe that in man's own free will, man can chose to take their own salvation away, as adam and eve did in the garden.

Sounds like a lot of works....

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Galatians 5:1

Read the entire Book of Galatians, its like 6 chapters. The Bible is very clear.

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 1 - King James Version

Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia: Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, Who gave himself for our...

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Nihilma]

Sounds like a lot of works....

Repenting isn't a one time thing, it is an attitude of life.

As long as you keep God close to your heart everyday of your life, you are in an attitude of repentance, and therefore you are saved.
Not a whole lot of works

 

[nagolbud]

Repenting isn't a one time thing, it is an attitude of life.

As long as you keep God close to your heart everyday of your life, you are in an attitude of repentance, and therefore you are saved.
Not a whole lot of works

So you have to work to keep your salvation? Sounds like works, and not a free gift.

Read the entire Book of Galatians, its like 6 chapters. The Bible is very clear.

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 6 - King James Version

Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he...

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[Nihilma]

So you have to work to keep your salvation? Sounds like works, and not a free gift.

Read the entire Book of Galatians, its like 6 chapters. The Bible is very clear.

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 6 - King James Version

Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he...

www.biblegateway.com

It is a free gift, but you have to hold on to the gift, and not throw it away, because you can throw the gift away, God doesn't force it down your throat