thread_prefix.18 do you believe "high-functioning" autism is real and can you grow out of it

Aedra said:
Eugenics.
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I don't support Eugenics either but many people on these websites do for some reason.
Anyways, a lot of evil is done in science, same with religion, corrupt churches and lobotomies, the forbidden experiment etc. Doesn't make either bad, in that regard.
 
Soygoy said:
Autism is real. But if anything, I believe that "neurotypical" people are the weird ones.
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Soygoy said:
I had to reformulate my sentence because I realized this was serious and my tone wasn't serious enough, but I do genuinely believe that "neurotypicalness" is a disease that has effected 99% of the human race and that "autistic" people are normal people or remnants from a previous human species, i.e Neanderthals. Personally I dislike "neurotypicals" because all they do is shout obnoxiously, bang every chick they see and hang around the worst people possible, they have no goals for life and for some reason they feel happy working a job and being a slave to some retail company.

Some are even completely happy with wasting years of their life in an educational institution being educated on random shit for a piece of paper that says that they can do it, even though most of the time they aren't interested and they're unlikely to get a job for what they studied in anyways. That is unless they have extremely good charisma which I'm sure most of them do, I suppose.
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Holy Soygoy TRUTHNUKE, I genuinely agree with everything you've said here. I think the principles of neurodiversity are keyed because high functioning autists can be hyper-utiliitarian when taken out of neurotypical society. However, I can see why it has problems, there's definitely things that suck about autism and sometimes people downplay them, especially with the low functioning/high support needs autistic individuals. I think I'm in the hell of being less autistic *and* less high functioning than before somehow, and there isn't a day that goes by without missing my beautiful greater-autistic world.

I think most autists experience the world much more richer and beautifully than most neurotypicals, and most don't even realize unless they lose it. I wish I could say more... the greater autism used to have me monologue in a systematic-linear easy to understand way but clearly that's gone, hopefully not forever. I think the bad parts of autism have been magnified for me and the good parts minimized. That's why I admire you so much Soygoy, you're still radiating that magnificent autistic energy.

Further Reading:

Temple Grandin - Frequently Asked Questions

www.templegrandin.com
www.lesswrong.com

The Intense World Theory of Autism — LessWrong

The first section is well-written and reliable, because I didn't write it, it's a book excerpt. The rest of the post is more prone to errors and spec…
www.lesswrong.com www.lesswrong.com

The Neanderthal theory of autism

www.rdos.net

Study Shows Autistic Brains Create More Information at Rest | School of Medicine | School of Medicine | Case Western Reserve University

New research from Case Western Reserve University and University of Toronto neuroscientists finds that the brains of autistic children generate mor...
case.edu
 
Soyteen Liker said:
Holy Soygoy TRUTHNUKE, I genuinely agree with everything you've said here. I think the principles of neurodiversity are keyed because high functioning autists can be hyper-utiliitarian when taken out of neurotypical society. However, I can see why it has problems, there's definitely things that suck about autism and sometimes people downplay them, especially with the low functioning/high support needs autistic individuals. I think I'm in the hell of being less autistic *and* less high functioning than before somehow, and there isn't a day that goes by without missing my beautiful greater-autistic world.

I think most autists experience the world much more richer and beautifully than most neurotypicals, and most don't even realize unless they lose it. I wish I could say more... the greater autism used to have me monologue in a systematic-linear easy to understand way but clearly that's gone, hopefully not forever. I think the bad parts of autism have been magnified for me and the good parts minimized. That's why I admire you so much Soygoy, you're still radiating that magnificent autistic energy.

Further Reading:

Temple Grandin - Frequently Asked Questions

www.templegrandin.com
www.lesswrong.com

The Intense World Theory of Autism — LessWrong

The first section is well-written and reliable, because I didn't write it, it's a book excerpt. The rest of the post is more prone to errors and spec…
www.lesswrong.com www.lesswrong.com

The Neanderthal theory of autism

www.rdos.net

Study Shows Autistic Brains Create More Information at Rest | School of Medicine | School of Medicine | Case Western Reserve University

New research from Case Western Reserve University and University of Toronto neuroscientists finds that the brains of autistic children generate mor...
case.edu
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Yeah but you're wrong because god said so.
 
Soyteen Liker said:
Holy Soygoy TRUTHNUKE, I genuinely agree with everything you've said here. I think the principles of neurodiversity are keyed because high functioning autists can be hyper-utiliitarian when taken out of neurotypical society. However, I can see why it has problems, there's definitely things that suck about autism and sometimes people downplay them, especially with the low functioning/high support needs autistic individuals. I think I'm in the hell of being less autistic *and* less high functioning than before somehow, and there isn't a day that goes by without missing my beautiful greater-autistic world.

I think most autists experience the world much more richer and beautifully than most neurotypicals, and most don't even realize unless they lose it. I wish I could say more... the greater autism used to have me monologue in a systematic-linear easy to understand way but clearly that's gone, hopefully not forever. I think the bad parts of autism have been magnified for me and the good parts minimized. That's why I admire you so much Soygoy, you're still radiating that magnificent autistic energy.

Further Reading:

Temple Grandin - Frequently Asked Questions

www.templegrandin.com
www.lesswrong.com

The Intense World Theory of Autism — LessWrong

The first section is well-written and reliable, because I didn't write it, it's a book excerpt. The rest of the post is more prone to errors and spec…
www.lesswrong.com www.lesswrong.com

The Neanderthal theory of autism

www.rdos.net

Study Shows Autistic Brains Create More Information at Rest | School of Medicine | School of Medicine | Case Western Reserve University

New research from Case Western Reserve University and University of Toronto neuroscientists finds that the brains of autistic children generate mor...
case.edu
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>us autists experience the world better lol
>*sucks a bbc in a bathroom stall*
 
baqqrih said:
What’s your actual response to his point, albeit? We already know you don't like religion.
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Aedra said:
His response is a superiority complex. "Le science better than religion therefore you're wrong." That's all there is to it.
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baqqrih said:
I want to think that there's more to his thinking.
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I do like religion, I just don't like how it overlaps with other things. If anything, Religion has always been haphazardly explained to me in my childhood, for example, some say god exists well okay if he does how come I can't see him? And the answer to that is that despite being around for thousands and thousands of years, he suddenly decides that he will no longer make an appearance ever again, which makes sense, but if that is true then why do people still pray knowing that God doesn't answer prayers anymore? And why are people so content with explaining every little thing in life by an imaginary figure of authority?

Maybe that's why people find religion so appealing, I suppose, it's to have that figure of authority guide them constantly, but I'm not like that. I despise authority.

My response isn't a superiority complex, but funny how Aedra has pivoted from an ignorant superiority complex to a victim complex. All I'm saying is that autism is real, purely due to the existence of multiple studies and repeated cases. There's an extremely large amount of evidence and Aedra is saying all of that is wrong because it's actually just superstition, which is ironic because he is religious and the exact same argument can be applied to him. So the entire argument is practically invalid.
 
Aedra said:
It doesn't apply to me because my religion is objectively true and all the others are false.
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And this is why you are hypocrite.
You have the superiority complex and the ego, the arrogance and the ignorance to claim this and then go on to say that science is false, but what you believe is true. Because you say so. Because god says so. Because the bible says so, whatever bullshit excuse you can pull out of your ass says so. Then you play victim when someone disagrees with you and I'm apparently demonizing you.

It does apply to you. What you believe is practically superstition in the same way that you believe that Psychology is superstition. We have locked ourselves into a situation in which an autistic person believes that autism exists and a christian believes that christ exists, so there is no reason for either person to disbelief what is essentially their own lives and yet we're arguing against eachother and using extremely bad points to convey what we mean.

Christianity has a lot of evidence and so does autism, but other religions have a lot of evidence too. Many scientists were Christian so I have no idea as to why your belief in faith would disprove scientific analysis. You claim that what I'm saying is false because science is not to be trusted for some reason because your religious beliefs are superior and when I disagree, you become an absolute snowflake and now I'm the redditor for believing in what most of the world believes in these days. But I'm genuinely curious as to what I am in the view of your religion: a work of satan? Does me disagreeing with you make me a work of satan?
ISTANBUL said:
playing chess with pigeons
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Pretty much.
If despite all the research and studies, autism is not real, then how can Christianity or any other religion be real with all of it's witness testimonies and outdated accounts from medieval times?
:geg: :geg: :geg: :geg:
 
Soygoy said:
But I'm genuinely curious as to what I am in the view of your religion: a work of satan? Does me disagreeing with you make me a work of satan?
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I'll let him answer, of course, but just to clarify, no, none of us believe this. No one born is a "work of Satan". Demons are works of Satan, and no human is born a demon nor can become a demon. This is a poor conclusion to jump to.
 
baqqrih said:
I'll let him answer, of course, but just to clarify, no, none of us believe this. No one born is a "work of Satan". Demons are works of Satan, and no human is born a demon nor can become a demon. This is a poor conclusion to jump to.
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I'm wondering what precipitates the argument for autism not being real under a religious context.
 
Soygoy said:
I'm wondering what precipitates the argument for autism not being real under a religious context.
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That's where Aedra could explain the position with more elaboration, then, if he would like. He knows more of this than I do in terms of the position.
Aedra said:
Those "outdated" accounts are more precious than every piece of modern literature combined.
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He wants to know the "why's and how's" of this more than continued statements like this one that will only make him disagree with the opposing position further out of a lack of explanation on why these statements should be considered true.
 
Aedra said:
I genuinely can't be bothered at the moment. I used to argue a lot here before because there were people who actually listened to the points I made. Nowadays it feels like most people I talk to here don't deserve a proper response so I just straight up tell them what I think without the complex shit.
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I expected better from you to be honest, but I hate how it always ends up like this
>autism isn't real!
<what are you talking about yeah it is
>no its not its psychology and psychology isn't real
<psychology is real
>no its wrong because muh religion
<what does that even have to do with this
>autistic people don't exist because i said so okay FUCK YOU, YOU WON'T TAKE EVERYTHING I SAY AS PROSPHECY SO I WONT EVEN RESPOND!!!!
Stop being so petty.
You've barely made any constructive points, instead it seems like you're just baiting and trolling me in a serious board.
 
Soygoy said:
>autism isn't real!
<what are you talking about yeah it is
>no its not its psychology and psychology isn't real
<psychology is real
>no its wrong because muh religion
<what does that even have to do with this
>autistic people don't exist because i said so okay FUCK YOU, YOU WON'T TAKE EVERYTHING I SAY AS PROSPHECY SO I WONT EVEN RESPOND!!!!
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strawGOD.... I knvvl.
 
Aedra said:
I genuinely can't be bothered at the moment. I used to argue a lot here before because there were people who actually listened to the points I made. Nowadays it feels like most people I talk to here don't deserve a proper response so I just straight up tell them what I think without the complex shit.
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Dude you're the one being dismissive kek
You say some ignorant shit, start namecalling and playing the victim when confronted and proclaim yourself the winner in the end after the other party gets tired of your shit.
What a bitch kek
 
ISTANBUL said:
Dude you're the one being dismissive kek
You say some ignorant shit, start namecalling and playing the victim when confronted and proclaim yourself the winner in the end after the other party gets tired of your shit.
What a bitch kek
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Exactly my point.
Hagon said:
strawGOD.... I knvvl.
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It wouldn't be a strawman if I get an actual genuine conversation out of him instead of him just expecting everyone to agree with him.
 
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