Rant You're probably a eugenicist

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There's a moral panic around that word. But most people don't object to practices that manifestly constitute eugenics. Let me start this with a love story.
Susan and Patrick were a young German couple in love. But, the German state never allowed Susan and Patrick to get married. Shockingly, Patrick was imprisoned for years because of his sexual relationship with Susan. Despite these obstacles, over the course of their relationship, Susan and Patrick had four children. Three of their children, Eric, Sarah, and Nancy, had severe problems: epilepsy, cognitive disabilities, and a congenital heart defect that required a transplant. The German state took away these children and placed them with foster families. Why did Germany do all these terrible things to Susan and Patrick? Eugenics.

No, this story didn’t happen in Nazi Germany, it happened over the course of the last 20 years. But why haven’t you heard this story before? Because Patrick and Susan are siblings. One of the aims of eugenics is to intervene in reproduction so as to decrease the number of people born with serious disabilities or health problems. Susan and Patrick were much more likely than the average couple to have children with genetic problems because they are brother and sister. So, the German state punished this couple by restricting them from marriage, taking away their children, and forcefully separating them with Patrick’s imprisonment.

Patrick Stübing filed a case against Germany with the European Court on Human Rights, arguing that the laws forbidding opposite-sex sibling incest violated his rights to family life and sexual autonomy. The European Court on Human Rights’ majority opinion in the Stübing case clearly sets out the eugenic case for those laws: that the children of incest and their future children will suffer because of genetic problems. But the dissenting opinion argued that eugenics cannot be a valid justification for punishing incest because eugenics is associated with the Nazis, and because other people (for example, older mothers and people with genetic disorders) who have a high chance of producing children with genetic defects are not prevented from reproducing. Ultimately, the European Court on Human Rights upheld Germany's anti-incest law on eugenic grounds.

If Germany had punished any other citizens this severely on eugenic grounds—for example by imprisoning a female carrier of Huntington’s disease who was trying to get pregnant— there would be a huge outcry. But incest seems to be an exception.

Our instinctive aversion to incest is informed by intuitive eugenics. Not only are we reflexively disgusted by the thought of having sex with our own blood relatives, but we’re also disgusted by the thought of any blood relatives having sex with each other. Siblings and close relatives conceive children who are more likely to end up with two copies of the same defective genes, which makes those children more likely to inherit disabilities and health problems. It’s estimated that the children of sibling incest have a greater than 40 percent chance of either dying prematurely or being born with a severe impairment. By comparison, first cousins have around a five percent chance of having children with a genetic problem—twice as likely as unrelated couples. In the UK, first cousin marriages are legal and these unions make up a disproportionate number of babies born with birth defects including those who die shortly after birth, likely numbering thousands per year. In the US, most states have outlawed first cousin marriage for eugenic reasons. For instance, in states like Arizona first cousin marriage is allowed, provided the cousins are infertile or over the age of 65.

If you agree that people who are genetically related should not have children, or should see a genetic counselor, you’re a eugenicist.
 
There's a moral panic around that word. But most people don't object to practices that manifestly constitute eugenics. Let me start this with a love story.
Susan and Patrick were a young German couple in love. But, the German state never allowed Susan and Patrick to get married. Shockingly, Patrick was imprisoned for years because of his sexual relationship with Susan. Despite these obstacles, over the course of their relationship, Susan and Patrick had four children. Three of their children, Eric, Sarah, and Nancy, had severe problems: epilepsy, cognitive disabilities, and a congenital heart defect that required a transplant. The German state took away these children and placed them with foster families. Why did Germany do all these terrible things to Susan and Patrick? Eugenics.

No, this story didn’t happen in Nazi Germany, it happened over the course of the last 20 years. But why haven’t you heard this story before? Because Patrick and Susan are siblings. One of the aims of eugenics is to intervene in reproduction so as to decrease the number of people born with serious disabilities or health problems. Susan and Patrick were much more likely than the average couple to have children with genetic problems because they are brother and sister. So, the German state punished this couple by restricting them from marriage, taking away their children, and forcefully separating them with Patrick’s imprisonment.

Patrick Stübing filed a case against Germany with the European Court on Human Rights, arguing that the laws forbidding opposite-sex sibling incest violated his rights to family life and sexual autonomy. The European Court on Human Rights’ majority opinion in the Stübing case clearly sets out the eugenic case for those laws: that the children of incest and their future children will suffer because of genetic problems. But the dissenting opinion argued that eugenics cannot be a valid justification for punishing incest because eugenics is associated with the Nazis, and because other people (for example, older mothers and people with genetic disorders) who have a high chance of producing children with genetic defects are not prevented from reproducing. Ultimately, the European Court on Human Rights upheld Germany's anti-incest law on eugenic grounds.

If Germany had punished any other citizens this severely on eugenic grounds—for example by imprisoning a female carrier of Huntington’s disease who was trying to get pregnant— there would be a huge outcry. But incest seems to be an exception.

Our instinctive aversion to incest is informed by intuitive eugenics. Not only are we reflexively disgusted by the thought of having sex with our own blood relatives, but we’re also disgusted by the thought of any blood relatives having sex with each other. Siblings and close relatives conceive children who are more likely to end up with two copies of the same defective genes, which makes those children more likely to inherit disabilities and health problems. It’s estimated that the children of sibling incest have a greater than 40 percent chance of either dying prematurely or being born with a severe impairment. By comparison, first cousins have around a five percent chance of having children with a genetic problem—twice as likely as unrelated couples. In the UK, first cousin marriages are legal and these unions make up a disproportionate number of babies born with birth defects including those who die shortly after birth, likely numbering thousands per year. In the US, most states have outlawed first cousin marriage for eugenic reasons. For instance, in states like Arizona first cousin marriage is allowed, provided the cousins are infertile or over the age of 65.

If you agree that people who are genetically related should not have children, or should see a genetic counselor, you’re a eugenicist.
I'm 99% you copypasted this from a schizophrenic website somewhere, but if eugneics are JUST that, I'm fine yeah.
If it goes into selectively chosing THE BEST outcome or even killing fetuses with defects I'm out
 
this was on the shemmy I think
also I agree

What do you mean by the best outcome?
Killing fetuses would not be nessescary if the embryo has already shown signs of genetic defects
"Well your son is going to have 100 IQ, but we can change his genes to bd 140IQ.
Also we can change his genes so that instead of being 170cms high he's going to be 190cms high. Also his face isn't going to have the best proportions for beauty, we can change that and make him look good."
 
"Well your son is going to have 100 IQ, but we can change his genes to bd 140IQ.
Also we can change his genes so that instead of being 170cms high he's going to be 190cms high. Also his face isn't going to have the best proportions for beauty, we can change that and make him look good."
Controlled human gene editing is beneficial for humanity as a whole
Changing genes for looks or appearances is vain
Changing genes for better intelligence and strength is better
Edited genes can also pass around in gene pools, leading to better traits being spread without need for editing (ev&oe the outcome is prob a mixed muttalo that doesnt have all the traits, and this process is too slow and diluted)
 
Controlled human gene editing is beneficial for humanity as a whole
Changing genes for looks or appearances is vain
Changing genes for better intelligence and strength is better
Edited genes can also pass around in gene pools, leading to better traits being spread without need for editing (ev&oe the outcome is prob a mixed muttalo that doesnt have all the traits, and this process is too slow and diluted)
Ig you have to define what id good and bad objectively yeah. Technically ny educating children we are rendering them more intelligent. Again I just don't know exactly where the limit is
 
Ig you have to define what id good and bad objectively yeah. Technically ny educating children we are rendering them more intelligent. Again I just don't know exactly where the limit is
I agree I guess
Im not sure if there is or even should be a limit to how much we can improve humanity
 
I'm 99% you copypasted this from a schizophrenic website somewhere, but if eugneics are JUST that, I'm fine yeah.
If it goes into selectively chosing THE BEST outcome or even killing fetuses with defects I'm out
It's from a magazine I work for. I saw no reason not to post it here.
 
Ig you have to define what id good and bad objectively yeah. Technically ny educating children we are rendering them more intelligent. Again I just don't know exactly where the limit is
if they dont have their own will, there is no point of education. similar to lancelot killing a blue whale, there needs to be at least showcase of valor.

Bad eugenics come from the fact that both parents do not have wanted child or at least partially the child is unwanted. That means 50% of its genetics is meaningless, mostly being robot without real function to uphold.
 
if they dont have their own will, there is no point of education. similar to lancelot killing a blue whale, there needs to be at least showcase of valor.

Bad eugenics come from the fact that both parents do not have wanted child or at least partially the child is unwanted. That means 50% of its genetics is meaningless, mostly being robot without real function to uphold.
This is the most I've ever needed marge in my life.
Wym if they don't have their own will there is no point in education.
Children aren't able of free will to the same degree an adult is because the pre frontal cortex is the last part of the brain to fully developp, yet education HELPS in the developpement of this lobe.
 
Children aren't able of free will to the same degree an adult is because the pre frontal cortex is the last part of the brain to fully developp, yet education HELPS in the developpement of this lobe.
That is both incorrect and reveals what you take as willpower. Lancelot will die if he fights shark. This common truth is no different from your way of thinking. I rejoice to your truth. They do not need education. They are good at their work.
 
That is both incorrect and reveals what you take as willpower. Lancelot will die if he fights shark. This common truth is no different from your way of thinking. I rejoice to your truth. They do not need education. They are good at their work.
I'm merely giving you the scientific consensus of neuropsychology, what the fuck are you talking about. Until children get through the separation individuation processus of teenagehood, they are bound to figures of authority and accept whatever they say as truth. They are incapable of projecting into the future, let alone doubt their own beliefs. They can ask questions, but whatever it is they are presented with the truth, they accept it
::marge::
 
individuation processus of teenagehood, they are bound to figures of authority and accept whatever they say as truth.
so, that's how it works for you?
I don't want to go into things since it is more of showcase like a reel on artstation or something. How does neurodiversity explains jew on a stick with fairy tale power, whatever.
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so, that's how it works for you?
I don't want to go into things since it is more of showcase like a reel on artstation or something. How does neurodiversity explains jew on a stick with fairy tale power, whatever. View attachment 2543
It's dilation.
So you couldn't come up with a reasonable answer and turned the discussion towards something else.
Many such cases. Dial8, tranny
 
No, Grant along with Laughlin condemned Germany way before the start of the war because eugenicism favors the most ignoble survivalists (allies, jews etc) instead of the most noble ones (germany), why would i support something that benefits my enemies?
 
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