Discussion The Yugoslav Wars

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istanbul

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What are your thoughts on this conflict?

For me I bellieve that Yugoslavia is a pipedream, albeit an ideal that I agree with. I do think that people should strive to preserve their own race rather than their religion or nationality and southern slavs are all racially identical and speak languages that are largely mutually intellegible. It makes all the sense in the world to think that they should all be living in one single state.
But this is not attainable. Ever since the turks and Austrians left the region and these people have been left to govern themselves convivence became impossible.
And this has been almost entirely the fault of the fucking SERBS.
They have always been the oppressors and the aggressors, the ones to stir up all conflict and to start all brother wars in the region.
The "Greater Serbia" ideal implies stomping all the other south slavic subcultures.
They caused WW1 because of this chimping out (and lost 42% of their population)
They implemented these plans for "Greater Serbia" during the interwar in the form of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes. Had they not been such inflexible chuds the Ustaše would've never risen to power.
They were kept in check during the Cold War only because Tito stomped on everyone in equal measure.
But obviously he did not live forever. Immediately after he died Serbian politicians tried to push Greater Serbian autism again.
They are almost entirely responsible for the war and for most of the atrocities committed during its course.
And see how it turned out for them, they are now landlocked and balkanized into 3 different states. They got kicked out from Krajina for good and lost Macedonia forever.

Did they fucking learn their lesson? Of course not, the Serb-centric autonomous region of Bosnia hasn't done anything but constantly chimping out, obstructing the democratic process, threatening to secede, etc.
They just fucking never learn. Serbs are the most anti-slav people in the world and they should have never had any right to self governance.
I wish NATO had bombed them to shreds in 1992.
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I think the camos look nice
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The JNA camos always strook me, it's pretty exquisite, would love me a piece of 'em
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I love this slight coloration of the American Woodland in the Croatian side, it's weird. I like it
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Here's a nice Bosnian one, frogskin I think? It's pleasant, I think the cut looks great
 
I've always thought of the Yugoslav Wars in general as a great example of why a nationalist identity that encompasses a large amount of ethnic groups (like a Bosnian, a Croat, and a Serb all calling themselves "Yugoslav") can not unite a people in as stable a manner as simply embracing their ethnic identity with their own sovereign state, governed by their own people. There'll always be conflicts that break out within a population when it's united by such a universally-encompassing identity to the extent that all unique cultural aspects of the specific ethnic groups that have been bunched together are wiped clean and molded into one big sludge-ball of incompatibility. I think the biggest example of this we can see today has been the past decades of Muslim migration to European countries, where, for one thing, crime rates have really shot up across the countries affected, displaying that some clear strife is being generated when you bunch these people together, similar to the strife the Yugoslav state felt when the wars eventually erupted. Religion certainly also plays a part in this cultural incompatibility problem of multicultured states, since, of course, in both the Yugoslav example and the modern Muslim migration example, there's some clear friction and further strife generated by a Christian-Muslim divide. You also see these divides in non-European countries, some great examples being countries like Nigeria and Myanmar. Ultimately, I think the greatest solution to this problem (until Christ returns and unites us all under His perfect kingdom where no strife can be generated) is to support the statehood of all ethnic peoples currently lacking a wholly sovereign and independent government, since, despite what the U.N or the E.U might tell you about the "enriching" nature of multiculturalism, ethnic sovereignty for all peoples on an international scale, where every people are guaranteed a country to call their own, is the truest definition of "human rights for all".
 
baqqrih said:
I've always thought of the Yugoslav Wars in general as a great example of why a nationalist identity that encompasses a large amount of ethnic groups (like a Bosnian, a Croat, and a Serb all calling themselves "Yugoslav") can not unite a people in as stable a manner as simply embracing their ethnic identity with their own sovereign state, governed by their own people. There'll always be conflicts that break out within a population when it's united by such a universally-encompassing identity to the extent that all unique cultural aspects of the specific ethnic groups that have been bunched together are wiped clean and molded into one big sludge-ball of incompatibility. I think the biggest example of this we can see today has been the past decades of Muslim migration to European countries, where, for one thing, crime rates have really shot up across the countries affected, displaying that some clear strife is being generated when you bunch these people together, similar to the strife the Yugoslav state felt when the wars eventually erupted. Religion certainly also plays a part in this cultural incompatibility problem of multicultured states, since, of course, in both the Yugoslav example and the modern Muslim migration example, there's some clear friction and further strife generated by a Christian-Muslim divide. You also see these divides in non-European countries, some great examples being countries like Nigeria and Myanmar. Ultimately, I think the greatest solution to this problem (until Christ returns and unites us all under His perfect kingdom where no strife can be generated) is to support the statehood of all ethnic peoples currently lacking a wholly sovereign and independent government, since, despite what the U.N or the E.U might tell you about the "enriching" nature of multiculturalism, ethnic sovereignty for all peoples on an international scale, where every people are guaranteed a country to call their own, is the truest definition of "human rights for all".
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The problem being that you cannot do that in the balkans because the distinct ethnic groups are all over the place.
The only way you can solve this problem is by doing large scale population transfers.
 
my only knowledge of yugoslavia is that there was this guy playing blood and iron on roblox like 3 years ago when i still used to play roblox who wouldn't stop bragging about having a yugoslav passport, and my only question was that why is some grandpa playing roblox?
 
istanbul said:
The problem being that you cannot do that in the balkans because the distinct ethnic groups are all over the place.
The only way you can solve this problem is by doing large scale population transfers.
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That won't work because people don't want to leave their home. People aren't cattle, you can't just herd them to where ever it suits you, people are tied to the land
 
Spas said:
That won't work because people don't want to leave their home. People aren't cattle, you can't just herd them to where ever it suits you, people are tied to the land
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even though it worked between greece and turkey and in western poland
 
basil said:
my only knowledge of yugoslavia is that there was this guy playing blood and iron on roblox like 3 years ago when i still used to play roblox who wouldn't stop bragging about having a yugoslav passport, and my only question was that why is some grandpa playing roblox?
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blud is playing a game for toddlers in his 40s 💀
 
istanbul said:
even though it worked between greece and turkey and in western poland
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Yeah, it "works" at gunpoint. But what are you going to get? Increased struggle and ethnic tensions? Really the kind of thing you want to add to the Balkans
 
Spas said:
Yeah, it "works" at gunpoint. But what are you going to get? Increased struggle and ethnic tensions? Really the kind of thing you want to add to the Balkans
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even though there are no struggles nor ethnic tensions right now between turks and greeks (in continental eurasia) or between poles and germans
 
istanbul said:
even though there are no struggles nor ethnic tensions right now between turks and greeks (in continental eurasia) or between poles and germans
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Just because it worked for them without causing major disasters doesn't mean it would work for the Balkans, it's probable, considering the Balkans, that this would stir more trouble than it would resolve, and being as volatile as it is I don't think stirring anything is a good idea. Besides, the transfer wouldn't exactly be 2 sided, as it would mostly consist of Serbs being ethnically cleansed from Republia Srpska and croatia to a lesser extent (not that you'd mind). But you're welcome to disagree, considering it won't ever happen
 
Spas said:
Just because it worked for them without causing major disasters doesn't mean it would work for the Balkans, it's probable, considering the Balkans, that this would stir more trouble than it would resolve, and being as volatile as it is I don't think stirring anything is a good idea. Besides, the transfer wouldn't exactly be 2 sided, as it would mostly consist of Serbs being ethnically cleansed from Republia Srpska and croatia to a lesser extent (not that you'd mind). But you're welcome to disagree, considering it won't ever happen
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>preemptively playing victim over a hypothethical event
I didn't say anything about any specifics, I just mentioned the possibility of a population transfer xis
 
istanbul said:
>preemptively playing victim over a hypothethical event
I didn't say anything about any specifics, I just mentioned the possibility of a population transfer xis
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And what kind of non-specific population transfer would take place in the Balkans, you sophist? It would basically revolve around ethnically cleansing bosnia and croatia, and deporting most of Kosovo and Metohija's population. The Hungarians aren't contentious, they don't need moving. I'm not "playing victim" I'm playing along with whatever this abominable brainchild of yours is. What you're proposing is by definition ethnic cleansing, and we've seen plenty of that in the Balkans and it doesn't seem to have much helped , Serbs don't want to be ethnically cleansed or displaced, and I imagine the few croats and bosnians living in Serbia, or croats living in bosnia wouldn't be very keen on the idea either.
 
Spas said:
And what kind of non-specific population transfer would take place in the Balkans, you sophist? It would basically revolve around ethnically cleansing bosnia and croatia, and deporting most of Kosovo and Metohija's population. The Hungarians aren't contentious, they don't need moving. I'm not "playing victim" I'm playing along with whatever this abominable brainchild of yours is. What you're proposing is by definition ethnic cleansing, and we've seen plenty of that in the Balkans and it doesn't seem to have much helped , Serbs don't want to be ethnically cleansed or displaced, and I imagine the few croats and bosnians living in Serbia, or croats living in bosnia wouldn't be very keen on the idea either.
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Just relocate all non serbs out of RS and all serbs from the rest of Bosnia to Serbia or RS. Also award the Serb majority areas in Northeastern Kosovo to Serbia and transfer the smaller serbian minorities across the region elsewhere.
This could be done under international supervision.
 
istanbul said:
Just relocate all non serbs out of RS and all serbs from the rest of Bosnia to Serbia or RS. Also award the Serb majority areas in Northeastern Kosovo to Serbia and transfer the smaller serbian minorities across the region elsewhere.
This could be done under international supervision.
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What does this do exactly? The contentious point is the existence of Republika Srpska (currently being challenged), not the few Serbian areas scattered across the former yugo. Even you yourself said as much about Republika Srpska. Also you can't "award" any part of "Kosovo" to Serbia, considering all that land is still claimed by Serbia and only dubiously recognized internationally.
And the "international supervision" can go suck a dick as far as I'm concerned
 
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