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FrogKing
antiwhite and proud
Marx defined capitalism as advanced commodity economy. + the nazis were not internationalist
UltraSoyLord
Jaking Lord of Old Qway
Who cares what Marx defined, he couldn't even properly define his own novel ideology. Hense why every commie claims, "Muh heck'n real communism has never been tried." Not that you can blame all the communist countries considering communism doesn't work and those governments only wanted the authoritarian aspects of it. What would this even refute? And that applies to your second part too, how does the Nazis not being internationalist affect their status are being or not being socialist. Before WW2, Germany did plenty of trade with countries including the USA, Japan, the USSR, various African countries, various South American countries and various western European countries. Considering Nazi zeppelins could be seen in the skies across the western world, they were anything but isolationists. They wanted to be part of the global stage so bad that they hosted the Olympics. It's not as if the second Germany acquired the power it had during WWII it started invading nations. There is a reason they made the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and wanted to turn the Empire state building into a zeppelin port. Maybe Hitler was just crazy and decided to make a very intimate pact between Germany and the USSR, only the break it to fight a two-front war, but considering he managed to put up a good fight against the two superpowers and the rest of the west I doubt it. Nazi Germany made these treaties and engaged in the trade because they genuinely did not plan on going to war with most of these countries. They did because they were internationalists. Not that any of this matters to the conversation because whether they were internationalist or otherwise does not change their status as a socialist government.
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Even doe I'm not a huge fan of politics, I don't mind hearing myself speak. Albeit it doesn't really feel like you are refuting any of my points and you are just throwing buzzwords at me. I hope you aren't just baiting me because I'll have to report you for trolling.
Agreed, but the National socialist party's control over its own economy and industry in practice did.
Nihilma
/caca/borean
I think this is the first trvthnvke you ever posted on this site
Nihilma
/caca/borean
Butthurtistan
FrogKing
antiwhite and proud
I'm pretty sure he did, he wrote multiple books on the subject. The Nazis did not want international revolution, they sought the expansion of their own nation and of the aryan race. For why rejection of internationalism is important in whether the nazis were socialist, I'll refer you to Engels.
— 19 —
"Will it be possible for this revolution to take place in one country alone?"
"Will it be possible for this revolution to take place in one country alone?"
"No. By creating the world market, big industry has already brought all the peoples of the Earth, and especially the civilizedpeoples, into such close relation with one another that none is independentof what happens to the others.
Further, it has co-ordinated the social development of the civilized countries to such an extent that, in all of them, bourgeoisie and proletariathave become the decisive classes, and the struggle between them the greatstruggle of the day. It follows that the communist revolution will notmerely be a national phenomenon but must take place simultaneously in allcivilized countries – that is to say, at least in England, America, France,and Germany.
It will develop in each of these countries more or less rapidly,according as one country or the other has a more developed industry, greater wealth, a more significant mass of productive forces. Hence, it will goslowest and will meet most obstacles in Germany, most rapidly and withthe fewest difficulties in England. It will have a powerful impact on theother countries of the world, and will radically alter the course of developmentwhich they have followed up to now, while greatly stepping up its pace.
It is a universal revolution and will, accordingly, have a universal range."
I don't intend to throw buzzwords at you, you just don't want to be reasonable with me. Marx literally states what I mean by "advanced commodity economy" in the first sentence of Capital.
UltraSoyLord
Jaking Lord of Old Qway
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I'm not doubting that he wrote books. I'm saying his word means very little to me. There has yet to be a communist country that has strictly followed the layout for what he defines as a communist government and there has yet to be a communist government that hasn't been tied to genocide or the country collapsing. Based on how Nazi Germany's economy functioned on a macro scale, I think he is a bad source on the matter. Even if he was a trustworthy source of information, he died in 1883, he didn't write any books on the Nazi's because they didn't exist yet.
I'd love to be reasonable with you, but you don't address any of the facts I am putting forward. You just put forward reasons you think it's not socialist. In this back and forth, I have been the one addressing points. You may want to claim the Nazis did not want international revolution, but it's hard to think of a more internationalist country. In their decade of existence, they established trade between itself and countries spanning 5 continents, hosted the Olympics, made great efforts to establish colonies (even doe they failed), formed major international alliances (like the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact), and much more. I'm not saying they wanted to have an international revolution, but I am saying they wanted to be front and center on the global stage. Even then, this whole point you are making is a tangent. Nazi Germany was socialist for the sole reason that the government effectively had control over its nation's industry and economy. Yes, on paper they "privatized" some things like the national banks as I previously mentioned, but even a privatized set of national banks isn't a free market. Yes, there were private citizens working and managing many of these companies that were controlled by the government. I'm not claiming that they were full on communist where every aspect of the economy was controlled by the fed, but the line in the sand is Nazi Germanies ultimate say over the corporations. You cannot have an authoritarian government with a free market. It's an oxymoron.
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FrogKing
antiwhite and proud
What do you mean "followed the layout for what he defines as a communist government"? Are you talking about the dictatorship of the proletariat? All dotps ceased existing after 1924.
After the death of Lenin in 1924, Stalin abandoned international revolution in favor of socialism in one country, opting to expand Soviet power nationally rather than supporting other socialists outside of the Soviet Union. After the execution of the Right Opposition, socialism in one country become dominant. As I mentioned before, this is directly opposed to what Marx and Engels wrote, and the Nazis definitely did not follow this. America is an internationalist nation by your logic.