VOTE! The REAL Thrembo....

[meijak]

Then stfu and gtfo you fat obese mutt.

My nigga, I am not the one living in a secular country as a fucking islamist

 

[dino]

I'm afraid not.

Are you retarded? In Fath al-Bari, Ibn Hajar clearly states, "the prohibition is only on complete statues throwing shadow, not pictures" and then clarifying in Al-Nawawi's Sharh on Sahih Muslim that these hadiths concern idolatrous images, not every type of art???? Your argument that centuries of contextual scholarship are irrelevant is just cherry-picking and false equivalence, and you're ignoring rigorous analysis in favor of a single, first-hand account from Aisha. Unless you are willing to engage in scholarly argument rather than your simplistic interpretation, your point collapses under its own ignorance, and you really suck at debating.

why not? pussy

 

[dino]

muhammad was an illiterate pedophile who raided caravans and married his adopted son's wife (this is why you cannot take legal custody of an adopted child if you're muslim). he was literally possessed by demons, why the fuck would you listen to anything he says?

brainwashed, xhis parents were probably mudslimes too

 

[meijak]

@Catter and @dino dominate this shitskin btw. Kill yourself warrior-p.

 

[Erblicken]

brainwashed, xhis parents were probably mudslimes too

islam is the only religion that still needs to be violently enforced and pushed onto people. these people are serious FREAKS..

 

[Gigafly]

I'm afraid not.

Are you retarded? In Fath al-Bari, Ibn Hajar clearly states, "the prohibition is only on complete statues throwing shadow, not pictures" and then clarifying in Al-Nawawi's Sharh on Sahih Muslim that these hadiths concern idolatrous images, not every type of art???? Your argument that centuries of contextual scholarship are irrelevant is just cherry-picking and false equivalence, and you're ignoring rigorous analysis in favor of a single, first-hand account from Aisha. Unless you are willing to engage in scholarly argument rather than your simplistic interpretation, your point collapses under its own ignorance, and you really suck at debating.

Still no evidence for the prohibition only applying to statues. Why do I have to take these scholars at their word? You still have brought no evidence for their opinion being valid.

 

[Gigafly]

brainwashed, xhis parents were probably mudslimes too

I'm glad my parents got out of it.

 

[Mr. Thrembo 88]

He went to sleep early

 

[Warrior-Z]

why not? pussy

Already answered chicken.

how was it debunked, elaborate 4 me...

>Illiterate
Ummī which in Islamic tradition has generally been translated as "illiterate" refers to Muhammad PBUH. But more often than not, scholars explain that it is more nuanced than just that. It didn't mean illiteracy in all forms of reading or writing-witness his success as a merchant in an oral society-especially to deny the eloquence of the Quran from being attributable to a formally educated man. That "illiteracy" is a miracle by itself rather than as a proof that he was ignorant even if you believe the old tale.
>Raiding
Yeah to me this just seems like a simplistic distortion of his (PBUH) military and political activities.
>Pedophilia

Dolmatov, M

Aisha was not 9 years old but (19–20) years old when married to Holy Prophet Muhammad (s) 9 years age of Aisha which you point out is not mentioned in Holy Quran - verbatim words of God but It is mentioned in Sahih Bukhari. This hadith is simply fabricated lie | Sahih Bukhari is not verbatim w...

docs.google.com

>Demons
Not a shred of evidence for this.

My nigga, I am not the one living in a secular country as a fucking islamist

How am I an "Islamist" for defending my religion?

Asked a judge and he said @Warrior-Z is a fat pedo who lost this debate

Prove the reliability of this supposed judge.

Still no evidence for the prohibition only applying to statues. Why do I have to take these scholars at their word? You still have brought no evidence for their opinion being valid.

Disregarding the interpretations of such great Islamic scholars such as Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn al-Qayyim as mere 'sub-category of sub-category' is ignorant first of all, THESE scholars studied the hadiths in detail and deduced that the prohibition is mainly for statues and images that lead to idolatry. For instance, Ibn Taymiyyah stated, "The command is to destroy two types of images: images which represent the deceased person, and images which are placed on top of graves because Shirk may come about from both types." AND a hadith from Abu Talhah goes: "The angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or statues." which immediately flags the problem specifically for statues and not all artifice or representation. Your cherry-picking of hadiths to justify your contention, while ignoring scholarly interpretations, is just retarded. How are experienced peoople who dedicated their lives to studying Islam NOT reliable???? Lmaoo.

Are Statues Prohibited in Islam? - Islam Question & Answer

islamqa.info

Presence of Paintaings of Some Muslim Scholars - Islam Question & Answer

islamqa.info

ISSUES RELATING TO PICTURES(TASWIR) | Ahlusunnah

Image Makers Will Be Punished on the Day of Judgement Narrated Abdullah ibn ‘Umar (d. 73H) radiallahu ‘anhu: Allah’s Messenger sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam said, “Those who make these images (suwar) will be punished on the Day of Resurrection, and it will be said to them, make alive what you...

ahlusunnah.org.ng

Like bro.

 

[WeegeeWarrior]

Let DOLL decide

 

[SoySpotter]

omg get a room

 

[Warrior-Z]

also it's funny warrior-p claims cousin marriage is makruh even though it was never explicitly said to be

It was, actually. Nice how you didnt go and address that source I provided in the 'ru thread lmao.

le bad in fact Muhammed himself did it

I literally answered that ITT, want me to give the argument?

 

[Erblicken]

Already answered chicken.

>Illiterate
Ummī which in Islamic tradition has generally been translated as "illiterate" refers to Muhammad PBUH. But more often than not, scholars explain that it is more nuanced than just that. It didn't mean illiteracy in all forms of reading or writing-witness his success as a merchant in an oral society-especially to deny the eloquence of the Quran from being attributable to a formally educated man. That "illiteracy" is a miracle by itself rather than as a proof that he was ignorant even if you believe the old tale.
>Raiding
Yeah to me this just seems like a simplistic distortion of his (PBUH) military and political activities.
>Pedophilia

Dolmatov, M

Aisha was not 9 years old but (19–20) years old when married to Holy Prophet Muhammad (s) 9 years age of Aisha which you point out is not mentioned in Holy Quran - verbatim words of God but It is mentioned in Sahih Bukhari. This hadith is simply fabricated lie | Sahih Bukhari is not verbatim w...

docs.google.com

>Demons
Not a shred of evidence for this.

How am I an "Islamist" for defending my religion?

Prove the reliability of this supposed judge.

Disregarding the interpretations of such great Islamic scholars such as Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn al-Qayyim as mere 'sub-category of sub-category' is ignorant first of all, THESE scholars studied the hadiths in detail and deduced that the prohibition is mainly for statues and images that lead to idolatry. For instance, Ibn Taymiyyah stated, "The command is to destroy two types of images: images which represent the deceased person, and images which are placed on top of graves because Shirk may come about from both types." AND a hadith from Abu Talhah goes: "The angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or statues." which immediately flags the problem specifically for statues and not all artifice or representation. Your cherry-picking of hadiths to justify your contention, while ignoring scholarly interpretations, is just retarded. How are experienced peoople who dedicated their lives to studying Islam NOT reliable???? Lmaoo.

Are Statues Prohibited in Islam? - Islam Question & Answer

islamqa.info

Presence of Paintaings of Some Muslim Scholars - Islam Question & Answer

islamqa.info

ISSUES RELATING TO PICTURES(TASWIR) | Ahlusunnah

Image Makers Will Be Punished on the Day of Judgement Narrated Abdullah ibn ‘Umar (d. 73H) radiallahu ‘anhu: Allah’s Messenger sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam said, “Those who make these images (suwar) will be punished on the Day of Resurrection, and it will be said to them, make alive what you...

ahlusunnah.org.ng

Like bro.

nobody read any of this, muhammad is a murderous pedophile who used God to justify his depraved acts.

 

[Warrior-Z]

nobody read any of this, muhammad is a murderous pedophile who used God to justify his depraved acts.

Invincible ignorance fallacy.

 

[Gigafly]

Invincible ignorance fallacy.

Saying someone else's claim is a fallacy isn't an argument, retard

 

[Mr. Thrembo 88]

 

[Mr. Thrembo 88]

 

[Warrior-Z]

Saying someone else's claim is a fallacy isn't an argument, retard

It's a premise, retard, and when did I claim that? Either way go ahead and refute what I said lol, you got slammed. Sorry dude but you lost lmao.

Are the scholars too retarded to say the hadith that said Aisha is 9 is wrong?

You do realise there are different scholars right?

Do they need le pseudo-intellectual discord server owner and redditor janny warrior p to debunk that?

Who said it's from me? It's from multiple old historians and theologians.

Dolmatov, M

Aisha was not 9 years old but (19–20) years old when married to Holy Prophet Muhammad (s) 9 years age of Aisha which you point out is not mentioned in Holy Quran - verbatim words of God but It is mentioned in Sahih Bukhari. This hadith is simply fabricated lie | Sahih Bukhari is not verbatim w...

docs.google.com

You didn't provide anything you just said you heckin debated it in the 'ru

I literally told you to go check the thread retard.

 

[Warrior-Z]

I'll fight til this thread runs it's course, bring it on. I am not tired yet.

 

[Erblicken]

muhammad ate poop and sucked bbcs. (you cannot refute this btw)