Predeterminism is a trvthvnke

Fortuna said:
No I'm not.

Not really.

Because they're the worst.

If you're talking about me I went for a nap.
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do you finally admit you're terry :3 please come back and stop being a tranny, you are literally 4'11 and have a giant gaping cooch
 
baqqrih said:
I don’t know how someone could argue against this. The saint who witnessed the heavens themselves, Saint Paul, supports this idea, of course:
>For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. - Epistle to the Romans, Chapter 8, Verses 29-30
I also don't know why someone would argue against this, or dedicate a long argument to the matter, anyway. As Saint Paul also points out sometime later in this same letter:
>Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! - Epistle to the Romans, Chapter 11, Verse 33
It is enough to have the knowledge that defines this concept; that God loves us with a desire to save us, and that we are free to accept that salvation. To understand how God Himself works with pointless bickering, going beyond the comprehensible definition of "God desires, and so man can desire, and if he does, he is predestined" is a worthless endeavor. To go into depths of knowledge that eluded a saint who saw heaven is to be like a dog yapping at a steak on a tall counter-top. The dog can not reach it, but it still yaps for it in fruitless struggle, even after having been handed a treat (representing comprehensible knowledge) that has sustained its salivation (it's funny how much that word sounds like salvation) well enough.
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Here's some good reading on this topic. See Decree 3.
 
Fortuna said:
And you had to keep arguing with him? Why not turn the other cheek and not engage him?
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Directly replying to him was the only choice because I know how these people work, they'll keep bickering with you in other threads until you finally post something against them. Not like I hate anyone here, most of the arguments I have with the users here aren't honest, I don't feel angry when I engage in them.
 
NiggerRigger said:
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drcobson said:
Directly replying to him was the only choice because I know how these people work, they'll keep bickering with you in other threads until you finally post something against them. Not like I hate anyone here, most of the arguments I have with the users here aren't honest, I don't feel angry when I engage in them.
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... just ignore them.
 
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