fucking chink roaches are killing innocent children

DonutHole said:
It's called tojo+. It lets you see the shlog through the eyes of a schizophrenic "japanese" nationalist.
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give me the exact numbers then. even jewpedia does not know with it ranging from a ridiculous range of several thousand to 300k (chink claim). How can there be a "massacre" when nobody even knows how many were killed in such an "important event" that totally happend?
 
NigKiller_Tojo said:
give me the exact numbers then. even jewpedia does not know with it ranging from a ridiculous range of several thousand to 300k (chink claim). How can there be a "massacre" when nobody even knows how many were killed in such an "important event" that totally happend?
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it also mentions:
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what do you think they were trying to hide? littering?
 
DonutHole said:
>It is one of those things which is easy to say. 'The Jewish race is to be exterminated,' says every Party member. 'That's clear, it's part of our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination, right, we'll do it.'
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Oh, boy, this is an evidence that I've seen before, and that I've thought on quite a bit. What we have here are some interesting words from Himmler. He was a pagan, and I personally, really don't like him for reasons like that, but I still believe in the truth. This is why accurate translations matter, because, as we see in this excerpt of his Posen speech, if we actually dig into the German words being used here, we're going to find the use of words like "ausrottung" (translated here as "exterminated") and "ausschaltung" (translated here as "elimination") being used, but, if we wish to understand any topic, we have to acknowledge that context matters, extending into the usage of these words in the divided territories of figurative and literal usage. If we took every single word out of my religious scriptures as utterly literal, for example, then we'd have some confusing ideas about Jesus Christ being a shape-shifter whenever He tells a parable. Well, we'll find a similar conundrum here, with this idea of what Himmler is saying always being literal. It isn't very good proof for that reason, really, because, if you even look at that website you linked, alongside reading the full speech for yourself, you're going to find contextual clues hinting a lot more towards a forced evacuation of Jews than a mass killing of them. So, let's go on a little dive, and look at some examples of usage of these German words by Himmler, now.
Starting up, in Himmler's personal notes for this very speech, Himmler uses the word "Judenevakuierung". What does this mean, exactly? Well, let's tear it apart. Juden? That's referring to Jews, of course. Now, "evakuierung"? That's the word for "evacuation". So, Himmler is using the term "evacuation of the Jews" in his notes, here. I personally find it strange how he wouldn't write down any significant word for "extermination" alongside that, as well, if he intended to say it, but let's just keep down our list of clues.
Next up, let's look at the full context of the quote itself, first, so that we can dig deep into what he's saying. The quote preceding the sentence you've attached is as follows, leaving in the word "Ausrottung" in my translation so that I can now bicker of how it does not mean literal extermination:
>Ich meine jetzt die Judenevakuierung, die Ausrottung des jüdischen Volkes.
>I am thinking now of the evacuation of the Jews, the austrottung of the Jewish people.
Then, the following quote.
>It is one of those things that's that's easy to say: "The Jewish people will be wird ausgerottet", says every Party comrade, "that's quite clear, it's in our programme: Ausschaltung of the Jews, Ausrottung that's what we're doing."
So, with that in mind, we now need to understand what Himmler is saying. To take the big bite first, here, "ausrottung" is "killing" in a figurative sense, quite simply. The closest definition to an English term would be "rooting out". We can even see this being used figuratively with another quote from Himmler during a correspondence with Bormann, concerning the poor treatment of prisoners within the prison camp near Lublin in Poland where Jews were being held. Himmler writes:
>The guilty commandant, SS-Sturmbannführer Florstedt, has been under arrest for two months already. The deplorable conditions are being severely ausgerottet and redressed in rigorous court-proceedings
"Ausgerottet", Himmler says (this is the past participle of ausrottung). I'm rather certain we can not genocide deplorable conditions, we can not literally rip deplorable conditions being inflicted upon prisoners to pieces, we can not toss these conditions into a ditch and shoot them a dozen times. If you know about the German words they were using in this time, even in Hitler's own speeches, you can find figurative usages of ausrottung.
>den Marxismus und seine Begleitersheinungen aus Deutschland auszurotten!
>for Marxism and its accompanying phenomena in Germany to be auszurotten!
This all is not to also mention the fact that Himmler is quoting a "party comrade", with context later added in the text that he is speaking of opposition to the deportation and forced removal of Jews from Germany into the camps and other areas separate from the mainland country, in that the generic member of the NSDAP sees the policy of forced removal as a task of ease and moral black-and-whites, yet Himmler then communicates that it is the wrong view to hold, mentioning right afterwards that
>And then they all come along, these eighty million good Germans, and every one of them has his decent Jew. Of course, it's quite clear that the others are pigs, but this one is one first-class Jew.
As if to say that Himmler believes it is a necessary evil to lose the slim minority that he perceives as "decent Jews" to drive out the badness that he believes comes from them that is within Germany.
So, in ending, what I want to say is that I don't at all admire the Third Reich. I don't like the hierarchical racialism of their ideology, as it goes against my personal moral beliefs, and I also believe that terrible crimes were committed against people like the Slavs in the East during the attempted German conquest of Russia. What I do not believe, personally, (and I think it's healthy that we can disagree on this and still be kind to one another) is that there was a systematic, government-ordered slaughter of all of the Jews under German control, and that six million Jews did perished during the six years of the war.
I certainly do believe that Jews faced persecution and suffering, and that they perished from mistreatment within the camps where they were denied their own civil rights under the administration of the NSDAP, and it, I will also say, greatly saddens me to hear of the pains the war caused, especially the stories of those who happened to be within the German territories, whose stories, I've noticed, are often gruesome and troublesome than within any other country's territories that were affected by the war, but I personally do not believe in the official Holocaust narrative for reasons like what I've laid out here. The evidences seem like a paper tiger to me, and there really isn't anything that will change my mind about that at this point.
 
NigKiller_Tojo said:
governments burn most important documents when they know defeat is imminent. Most of the military related things like blueprints and plans were burned. "oh but you burned some military documents" is not proof of a "genocide massacre". can't even prove it was even related anyway
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it says quite clearly that the order was to burn incriminating evidence, and they burned a whole lot, seems like this gives a pretty good reason for a large margin of error in the death toll estimate
baqqrih said:
Oh, boy, this is an evidence that I've seen before, and that I've thought on quite a bit. What we have here are some interesting words from Himmler. He was a pagan, and I personally, really don't like him for reasons like that, but I still believe in the truth. This is why accurate translations matter, because, as we see in this excerpt of his Posen speech, if we actually dig into the German words being used here, we're going to find the use of words like "ausrottung" (translated here as "exterminated") and "ausschaltung" (translated here as "elimination") being used, but, if we wish to understand any topic, we have to acknowledge that context matters, extending into the usage of these words in the divided territories of figurative and literal usage. If we took every single word out of my religious scriptures as utterly literal, for example, then we'd have some confusing ideas about Jesus Christ being a shape-shifter whenever He tells a parable. Well, we'll find a similar conundrum here, with this idea of what Himmler is saying always being literal. It isn't very good proof for that reason, really, because, if you even look at that website you linked, alongside reading the full speech for yourself, you're going to find contextual clues hinting a lot more towards a forced evacuation of Jews than a mass killing of them. So, let's go on a little dive, and look at some examples of usage of these German words by Himmler, now.
Starting up, in Himmler's personal notes for this very speech, Himmler uses the word "Judenevakuierung". What does this mean, exactly? Well, let's tear it apart. Juden? That's referring to Jews, of course. Now, "evakuierung"? That's the word for "evacuation". So, Himmler is using the term "evacuation of the Jews" in his notes, here. I personally find it strange how he wouldn't write down any significant word for "extermination" alongside that, as well, if he intended to say it, but let's just keep down our list of clues.
Next up, let's look at the full context of the quote itself, first, so that we can dig deep into what he's saying. The quote preceding the sentence you've attached is as follows, leaving in the word "Ausrottung" in my translation so that I can now bicker of how it does not mean literal extermination:
>Ich meine jetzt die Judenevakuierung, die Ausrottung des jüdischen Volkes.
>I am thinking now of the evacuation of the Jews, the austrottung of the Jewish people.
Then, the following quote.
>It is one of those things that's that's easy to say: "The Jewish people will be wird ausgerottet", says every Party comrade, "that's quite clear, it's in our programme: Ausschaltung of the Jews, Ausrottung that's what we're doing."
So, with that in mind, we now need to understand what Himmler is saying. To take the big bite first, here, "ausrottung" is "killing" in a figurative sense, quite simply. The closest definition to an English term would be "rooting out". We can even see this being used figuratively with another quote from Himmler during a correspondence with Bormann, concerning the poor treatment of prisoners within the prison camp near Lublin in Poland where Jews were being held. Himmler writes:
>The guilty commandant, SS-Sturmbannführer Florstedt, has been under arrest for two months already. The deplorable conditions are being severely ausgerottet and redressed in rigorous court-proceedings
"Ausgerottet", Himmler says (this is the past participle of ausrottung). I'm rather certain we can not genocide deplorable conditions, we can not literally rip deplorable conditions being inflicted upon prisoners to pieces, we can not toss these conditions into a ditch and shoot them a dozen times. If you know about the German words they were using in this time, even in Hitler's own speeches, you can find figurative usages of ausrottung.
>den Marxismus und seine Begleitersheinungen aus Deutschland auszurotten!
>for Marxism and its accompanying phenomena in Germany to be auszurotten!
This all is not to also mention the fact that Himmler is quoting a "party comrade", with context later added in the text that he is speaking of opposition to the deportation and forced removal of Jews from Germany into the camps and other areas separate from the mainland country, in that the generic member of the NSDAP sees the policy of forced removal as a task of ease and moral black-and-whites, yet Himmler then communicates that it is the wrong view to hold, mentioning right afterwards that
>And then they all come along, these eighty million good Germans, and every one of them has his decent Jew. Of course, it's quite clear that the others are pigs, but this one is one first-class Jew.
As if to say that Himmler believes it is a necessary evil to lose the slim minority that he perceives as "decent Jews" to drive out the badness that he believes comes from them that is within Germany.
So, in ending, what I want to say is that I don't at all admire the Third Reich. I don't like the hierarchical racialism of their ideology, as it goes against my personal moral beliefs, and I also believe that terrible crimes were committed against people like the Slavs in the East during the attempted German conquest of Russia. What I do not believe, personally, (and I think it's healthy that we can disagree on this and still be kind to one another) is that there was a systematic, government-ordered slaughter of all of the Jews under German control, and that six million Jews did perished during the six years of the war.
I certainly do believe that Jews faced persecution and suffering, and that they perished from mistreatment within the camps where they were denied their own civil rights under the administration of the NSDAP, and it, I will also say, greatly saddens me to hear of the pains the war caused, especially the stories of those who happened to be within the German territories, whose stories, I've noticed, are often gruesome and troublesome than within any other country's territories that were affected by the war, but I personally do not believe in the official Holocaust narrative for reasons like what I've laid out here. The evidences seem like a paper tiger to me, and there really isn't anything that will change my mind about that at this point.
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read every word
 
baqqrih said:
Oh, boy, this is an evidence that I've seen before, and that I've thought on quite a bit. What we have here are some interesting words from Himmler. He was a pagan, and I personally, really don't like him for reasons like that, but I still believe in the truth. This is why accurate translations matter, because, as we see in this excerpt of his Posen speech, if we actually dig into the German words being used here, we're going to find the use of words like "ausrottung" (translated here as "exterminated") and "ausschaltung" (translated here as "elimination") being used, but, if we wish to understand any topic, we have to acknowledge that context matters, extending into the usage of these words in the divided territories of figurative and literal usage. If we took every single word out of my religious scriptures as utterly literal, for example, then we'd have some confusing ideas about Jesus Christ being a shape-shifter whenever He tells a parable. Well, we'll find a similar conundrum here, with this idea of what Himmler is saying always being literal. It isn't very good proof for that reason, really, because, if you even look at that website you linked, alongside reading the full speech for yourself, you're going to find contextual clues hinting a lot more towards a forced evacuation of Jews than a mass killing of them. So, let's go on a little dive, and look at some examples of usage of these German words by Himmler, now.
Starting up, in Himmler's personal notes for this very speech, Himmler uses the word "Judenevakuierung". What does this mean, exactly? Well, let's tear it apart. Juden? That's referring to Jews, of course. Now, "evakuierung"? That's the word for "evacuation". So, Himmler is using the term "evacuation of the Jews" in his notes, here. I personally find it strange how he wouldn't write down any significant word for "extermination" alongside that, as well, if he intended to say it, but let's just keep down our list of clues.
Next up, let's look at the full context of the quote itself, first, so that we can dig deep into what he's saying. The quote preceding the sentence you've attached is as follows, leaving in the word "Ausrottung" in my translation so that I can now bicker of how it does not mean literal extermination:
>Ich meine jetzt die Judenevakuierung, die Ausrottung des jüdischen Volkes.
>I am thinking now of the evacuation of the Jews, the austrottung of the Jewish people.
Then, the following quote.
>It is one of those things that's that's easy to say: "The Jewish people will be wird ausgerottet", says every Party comrade, "that's quite clear, it's in our programme: Ausschaltung of the Jews, Ausrottung that's what we're doing."
So, with that in mind, we now need to understand what Himmler is saying. To take the big bite first, here, "ausrottung" is "killing" in a figurative sense, quite simply. The closest definition to an English term would be "rooting out". We can even see this being used figuratively with another quote from Himmler during a correspondence with Bormann, concerning the poor treatment of prisoners within the prison camp near Lublin in Poland where Jews were being held. Himmler writes:
>The guilty commandant, SS-Sturmbannführer Florstedt, has been under arrest for two months already. The deplorable conditions are being severely ausgerottet and redressed in rigorous court-proceedings
"Ausgerottet", Himmler says (this is the past participle of ausrottung). I'm rather certain we can not genocide deplorable conditions, we can not literally rip deplorable conditions being inflicted upon prisoners to pieces, we can not toss these conditions into a ditch and shoot them a dozen times. If you know about the German words they were using in this time, even in Hitler's own speeches, you can find figurative usages of ausrottung.
>den Marxismus und seine Begleitersheinungen aus Deutschland auszurotten!
>for Marxism and its accompanying phenomena in Germany to be auszurotten!
This all is not to also mention the fact that Himmler is quoting a "party comrade", with context later added in the text that he is speaking of opposition to the deportation and forced removal of Jews from Germany into the camps and other areas separate from the mainland country, in that the generic member of the NSDAP sees the policy of forced removal as a task of ease and moral black-and-whites, yet Himmler then communicates that it is the wrong view to hold, mentioning right afterwards that
>And then they all come along, these eighty million good Germans, and every one of them has his decent Jew. Of course, it's quite clear that the others are pigs, but this one is one first-class Jew.
As if to say that Himmler believes it is a necessary evil to lose the slim minority that he perceives as "decent Jews" to drive out the badness that he believes comes from them that is within Germany.
So, in ending, what I want to say is that I don't at all admire the Third Reich. I don't like the hierarchical racialism of their ideology, as it goes against my personal moral beliefs, and I also believe that terrible crimes were committed against people like the Slavs in the East during the attempted German conquest of Russia. What I do not believe, personally, (and I think it's healthy that we can disagree on this and still be kind to one another) is that there was a systematic, government-ordered slaughter of all of the Jews under German control, and that six million Jews did perished during the six years of the war.
I certainly do believe that Jews faced persecution and suffering, and that they perished from mistreatment within the camps where they were denied their own civil rights under the administration of the NSDAP, and it, I will also say, greatly saddens me to hear of the pains the war caused, especially the stories of those who happened to be within the German territories, whose stories, I've noticed, are often gruesome and troublesome than within any other country's territories that were affected by the war, but I personally do not believe in the official Holocaust narrative for reasons like what I've laid out here. The evidences seem like a paper tiger to me, and there really isn't anything that will change my mind about that at this point.
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>Dont take his word for it he actually means the opposite of what he's saying because uuuhhh he just does ok
 

Verb​

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ausrotten (weak, third-person singular present rottet aus, past tense rottete aus, past participle ausgerottet, auxiliary haben)

  1. (originally of plants, now more often figurative) to root out, to eradicate, to extirpate, to purge, to remove entirely
  2. (of people, species, etc.) to exterminate, to kill off, to stamp out, to cause to become extinct

Guys I need help. Which definition was Himmler using when he was referring to gassing jews. Please I need this for my History final it's important.
 
DonutHole said:

Verb​

[edit]
ausrotten (weak, third-person singular present rottet aus, past tense rottete aus, past participle ausgerottet, auxiliary haben)

  1. (originally of plants, now more often figurative) to root out, to eradicate, to extirpate, to purge, to remove entirely
  2. (of people, species, etc.) to exterminate, to kill off, to stamp out, to cause to become extinct

Guys I need help. Which definition was Himmler using when he was referring to gassing jews. Please I need this for my History final it's important.
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Guys please it's important. I'm thinking that when he was referring to gassing jews, he was using the word in the same manner that he used it for rooting out concepts. I think he was actually talking about rooting out the concept of a jew when he said we needed to exterminate the jewish race. Yeah I think that's the right answer. Read my signature btw.
 
DonutHole said:
Guys please it's important. I'm thinking that when he was referring to gassing jews, he was using the word in the same manner that he used it for rooting out concepts. I think he was actually talking about rooting out the concept of a jew when he said we needed to exterminate the jewish race. Yeah I think that's the right answer. Read my signature btw.
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>muuuuuuuuuh electric pools, gas chambers, and masturbation death machines! don't look closely at the chimney btw, we added that later for dramatic effect.
 

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