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[FrogKing]

dont use this thread anymore making another one because this one sucks

 

[Stephen]

I dont see TND, TTD, TKD, etc working under leftist ideologies or whatever schizobabble you believe in
Total Fachism win fr babyjumpingbabyjumpingbabyjumpingbabyjumpingbabyjumping

 

[Boot]

It's just the result of the petite bourgeois trying to resist proleterianization by becoming the new bourgeois. That's why Fascist states advocated for class collaborationism. It doesn't resolve the internal contradictions between workers and the bourgeois and that's why it's doomed to fail like capitalism
You can't disprove this niggers

Leftism is an ideology based on weakness, victimization and the underdog mentality.

 

[Wise Sage]

Go back to 'ddit, antifa
Or are you someone posing as antifa to fit in with the "soiboi" character

 

[FrogKing]

Go back to 'ddit, antifa
Or are you someone posing as antifa to fit in with the "soiboi" character

I'm not anti-fascist. Anti-fascism is bourgeois.

 

[FrogKing]

I dont see TND, TTD, TKD, etc working under leftist ideologies or whatever schizobabble you believe in
Total Fachism win fr babyjumpingbabyjumpingbabyjumpingbabyjumpingbabyjumping

TND is a rw twitter meme nobody cares about

 

[nagolbud's Number 1 Fan]

Nagolbud is the only belief

 

[Lism]

It's just the result of the petite bourgeois trying to resist proleterianization by becoming the new bourgeois. That's why Fascist states advocated for class collaborationism. It doesn't resolve the internal contradictions between workers and the bourgeois and that's why it's doomed to fail like capitalism
You can't disprove this niggers

>It doesn't resolve the internal contradictions between workers and the bourgeois and that's why it's doomed to fail like capitalism

1. Proletarianization is the death of civilization. It is probably the worst thing that could ever happen to anyone who values real civilization, i.e. the proliferation of a high culture. Capitalism is also inferior to the feudal parasitic aristocracy in this regard but is far too economically efficient to just be ignored, so the goal of early 20th century "progressives" (which Fascists were ultimately a part of) was to create a system which is still largely capitalist (commerce-based economy, wealth is derived from capital) but has organs to avoid cultural decline. Have fun with your kibbutz, your favela world, if you're so ungrateful for the unreal standards of living we have been given today. I'll take my Pyramids and my Volkshalles and even my Palace of the Soviets, and leave.

2. Plz read or at least familiarize yourself with Sorel before misunderstanding Fascism like this. The rift between the struggle between the bourgeoisie and the working class is ultimately the source of progress in society and so must continue on for eternity, for without it both parties would fall into a state of decadence. I don't like to drill too hard into Hegel because he was an Idealist but this "end of history" bullcrap really is one of the biggest mind viruses in the world

 

[Lism]

I'm not anti-fascist. Anti-fascism is bourgeois.

You shouldn't hate the Bourgeoisie so much, they're not bad people they're just out of place

 

[JC Denton]

you're so ungrateful for the unreal standards of living we have been given today

You can say this because you're a first worlder. Most of the world population is not from the first world and they aren't living with "unreal standards of living". They don't have the same opportunities in life as you have.

 

[FrogKing]

You shouldn't hate the Bourgeoisie so much, they're not bad people they're just out of place

I never said I hated them. I think moralism in this context is useless

 

[istanbul]

You can say this because you're a first worlder. Most of the world population is not from the first world and they aren't living with "unreal standards of living". They don't have the same opportunities in life as you have.

In comparison to what the standard of living for those people was in 1950 I'd say they're pretty unreal. Unless we're talking about some hellhole that's currently in a never ending state of civil war, you can always become literate, and if you have internet access you can learn anything if you are diligent enough.

 

[FrogKing]

>It doesn't resolve the internal contradictions between workers and the bourgeois and that's why it's doomed to fail like capitalism

1. Proletarianization is the death of civilization. It is probably the worst thing that could ever happen to anyone who values real civilization, i.e. the proliferation of a high culture. Capitalism is also inferior to the feudal parasitic aristocracy in this regard but is far too economically efficient to just be ignored, so the goal of early 20th century "progressives" (which Fascists were ultimately a part of) was to create a system which is still largely capitalist (commerce-based economy, wealth is derived from capital) but has organs to avoid cultural decline. Have fun with your kibbutz, your favela world, if you're so ungrateful for the unreal standards of living we have been given today. I'll take my Pyramids and my Volkshalles and even my Palace of the Soviets, and leave.

2. Plz read or at least familiarize yourself with Sorel before misunderstanding Fascism like this. The rift between the struggle between the bourgeoisie and the working class is ultimately the source of progress in society and so must continue on for eternity, for without it both parties would fall into a state of decadence. I don't like to drill too hard into Hegel because he was an Idealist but this "end of history" bullcrap really is one of the biggest mind viruses in the world

1. To think receding or trying to fix capitalism will solve cultural decline is false. I don't think capitalism is really that responsible for cultural decline, it's allowed more people to be interested in culture. Focusing on some abstract idea of cultural decline is dumb, most traditionalists end up rewriting culture and history through their obsession with it. I am grateful for the standards of living today, I don't why I wouldn't be.

2. The bourgeoisie have not always been a thing. You might be using bourgeoisie as a general term for the "upper classes" but even still it's not correct. The struggle between the current bourgeois and proletarian have only existed for 200 years. It's not the only class conflict that has existed in history. I just think it's important to understand fascism in it's historical context and the support behind it.

 

[istanbul]

If communism is so good then why do all communist countries struggle so much with preventing people from escaping their hellholes?

 

[JC Denton]

In comparison to what the standard of living for those people was in 1950 I'd say they're pretty unreal. Unless we're talking about some hellhole that's currently in a never ending state of civil war, you can always become literate, and if you have internet access you can learn anything if you are diligent enough.

Yes we have internets and computers but what I'm trying to say is that if you imagine two babies being born in middle class families, for example one in Canada and the other in Iraq, the one in Canada has so many more opportunities in life than the on in Iraq, and the kid in Iraq has to suffer ten times more than the Canadian to afford a good life. There is no justice about this and if you value justice you'll be against today's system. Capitalism fans will say that the reason people are poor is because they're lazy and don't try in life, let's say it's true about the Iraqi's father and he didn't try hard enough to get a good life. But why should his son also live in poverty when he never made the decision to be lazy?
Yes we have clean water and food and free access to the internet (in most places) but we also have the majority of people in the world working like slaves so that a few number of people can buy funko pops and buy brand clothings or some shit.

 

[istanbul]

Yes we have internets and computers but what I'm trying to say is that if you imagine two babies being born in middle class families, for example one in Canada and the other in Iraq, the one in Canada has so many more opportunities in life than the on in Iraq, and the kid in Iraq has to suffer ten times more than the Canadian to afford a good life. There is no justice about this and if you value justice you'll be against today's system. Capitalism fans will say that the reason people are poor is because they're lazy and don't try in life, let's say it's true about the Iraqi's father and he didn't try hard enough to get a good life. But why should his son also live in poverty when he never made the decision to be lazy?
Yes we have clean water and food and free access to the internet (in most places) but we also have the majority of people in the world working like slaves so that a few number of people can buy funko pops and buy brand clothings or some shit.

That has always been the case. Some places have always been better off than others, that's just how life is. The problem is crying yourself a river and drowning in it, all because others have it better than yourself, not realizing you yourself have it way better than your own parents did.
That Iraqi child can do lots of things. If he ends up not amounting to anything it's because of circumstances outside his control like getting bombed by the US (too bad) or because he got caught up in his defeatism

 

[istanbul]

That has always been the case. Some places have always been better off than others, that's just how life is. The problem is crying yourself a river and drowning in it, all because others have it better than yourself, not realizing you yourself have it way better than your own parents did.
That Iraqi child can do lots of things. If he ends up not amounting to anything it's because of circumstances outside his control like getting bombed by the US (too bad) or because he got caught up in his defeatism

And defeatism is a terrible thing because all these "less fortunate" have a "crabs in the bucket" mentality.

 

[JC Denton]

That has always been the case. Some places have always been better off than others, that's just how life is. The problem is crying yourself a river and drowning in it, all because others have it better than yourself, not realizing you yourself have it way better than your own parents did.
That Iraqi child can do lots of things. If he ends up not amounting to anything it's because of circumstances outside his control like getting bombed by the US (too bad) or because he got caught up in his defeatism

I'm not talking about me. I'm happy with living conditions eventho it can be unpredictable because of things outside my control. And yes defeatism is le bad and one should accept their circumstances if changing it is outside their control but we are not talking morals. We are talking politics. And when you talk politics you are trying to describe a better world where your values can be achieved. My idealistic world gives equal chance to people of every background.

 

[istanbul]

I'm not talking about me. I'm happy with living conditions eventho it can be unpredictable because of things outside my control. And yes defeatism is le bad and one should accept their circumstances if changing it is outside their control but we are not talking morals. We are talking politics. And when you talk politics you are trying to describe a better world where your values can be achieved. My idealistic world gives equal chance to people of every background.

Why should Canadians have to give a fuck about Iraqi living conditions?

 

[JC Denton]

Why should Canadians have to give a fuck about Iraqi living conditions?

Because we shouldn't be selfish little fucks and caring about the collective well being is le good and can help ourselves as well. Hot take but justice and equality is le good actually.