Am I legitimately too retarded to be an artist?

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Gemerald

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>Special needs
>ADHD, autism, learning disability
>Have so many ideas for art but my ADHD and executive dysfunction prevents me from actually doing anything or even putting in a modicum of work
>Can't understand basic trigonometry or math
>Have never been able to commit myself to any serious hobby, dabbler at best.
>Want to now get good at drawing after years and years of wanting to
>Can't even pick up the pencil
Am I legitimately too retarded to be an artist? Every time I think about the fact that I can't do art, it makes me almost suicidally depressed and makes me nearly break down crying. I have friends that show me their art everyday and it pisses me off to the point where I want to fucking block them or tell them off. I can't do this anymore. I mean I'm literally starting from zero.
 
Gemerald said:
>Special needs
>ADHD, autism, learning disability
>Have so many ideas for art but my ADHD and executive dysfunction prevents me from actually doing anything or even putting in a modicum of work
>Can't understand basic trigonometry or math
>Have never been able to commit myself to any serious hobby, dabbler at best.
>Want to now get good at drawing after years and years of wanting to
>Can't even pick up the pencil
Am I legitimately too retarded to be an artist? Every time I think about the fact that I can't do art, it makes me almost suicidally depressed and makes me nearly break down crying. I have friends that show me their art everyday and it pisses me off to the point where I want to fucking block them or tell them off. I can't do this anymore. I mean I'm literally starting from zero.
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Do you know your IQ? I took a test as part of my 'tism evaluation and scored in the average range. I feel a lot more retarded though.
I realize that's a bit of a personal thing but getting a test done could show you what you're good at. Mine revealed that I do better with reading instead of math stuff, for example.
Don't be afraid if you score low, unless it's under 85 you'll probably be fine.
 
Are all soy teens really just ADHD autists? How did I end up in the sharty if I'm not mentally retardedSelfish Little Fuck
 
cortex257 said:
Do you know your IQ? I took a test as part of my 'tism evaluation and scored in the average range. I feel a lot more retarded though.
I realize that's a bit of a personal thing but getting a test done could show you what you're good at. Mine revealed that I do better with reading instead of math stuff, for example.
Don't be afraid if you score low, unless it's under 85 you'll probably be fine.
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IQ is a complex subject, and has little say in artistry I'd say.
There are multiple indexes (or however you call them in english) in the IQ in the WISC V, some that may have a say in artistry and some that don't.
The index of verbal comprehension may have a say in writing for example, but since it's mostly cristallized intelligence it means it can be improved by simply learning.
The index of (visuospatial in french) idk how you call it may have a say in painting, as it has to do with how you filter and understand visual stimulus.
The index of fluid reflexion has to do with maths, so not much in artistry itself, working memory is just well, your working memory, and processing speed is just how fast you think.

And having a high score in one doesn't necessarily translate into having a high score in others. Moreover, just like working out, these are just tools that help you progress faster.
However, just like working out, these tools are not necessary to progress, and also completely useless if you don't well : use them
 
Nihilma said:
IQ is a complex subject, and has little say in artistry I'd say.
There are multiple indexes (or however you call them in english) in the IQ in the WISC V, some that may have a say in artistry and some that don't.
The index of verbal comprehension may have a say in writing for example, but since it's mostly cristallized intelligence it means it can be improved by simply learning.
The index of (visuospatial in french) idk how you call it may have a say in painting, as it has to do with how you filter and understand visual stimulus.
The index of fluid reflexion has to do with maths, so not much in artistry itself, working memory is just well, your working memory, and processing speed is just how fast you think.

And having a high score in one doesn't necessarily translate into having a high score in others. Moreover, just like working out, these are just tools that help you progress faster.
However, just like working out, these tools are not necessary to progress, and also completely useless if you don't well : use them
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thank you for schooling me, i probably was talking out of my ass. i didn't realize that the practical implications for an IQ score were actually pretty hard to know. would it be wrong to view IQ more as an aid for determining extremely low/extremely high intelligence instead of a potential career finder like i was?
 
cortex257 said:
thank you for schooling me, i probably was talking out of my ass. i didn't realize that the practical implications for an IQ score were actually pretty hard to know. would it be wrong to view IQ more as an aid for determining extremely low/extremely high intelligence instead of a potential career finder like i was?
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It's actually exactly what it is calibrated for : finding the extremes of the population. It's calibrated to a Bell curve to spot the extremes, and isn't very sensitive to the big mass in the middle.
It has predictive correlation with school results, as most high IQ profiles tend to do well in school, but that generally is the case if they are well balanced. If you're autistic or else, it might work very differently for you. Someone with high processing speed but average working memory may have a low attention span for example.
The tragedy with IQ is that everyone takes it as this magical and Godlike index that defines your worth and your capacities, when it clearly is not the case.

Again, I like to see life as working out. Someone with good genetics may have higher chances and an easier time getting buffed, but that doesn't mean that your average person, with enough dedication CANNOT end up at the same place.
 
Nihilma said:
Someone with good genetics may have higher chances and an easier time getting buffed, but that doesn't mean that your average person, with enough dedication CANNOT end up at the same place.
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It means that some people get further with the same amount of effort, and since there is a hard limit to how much work one person can put in (due to finite lifespans), that means that there are levels that only the genetically gifted can reach
 
Gemerald said:
It means that some people get further with the same amount of effort, and since there is a hard limit to how much work one person can put in (due to finite lifespans), that means that there are levels that only the genetically gifted can reach
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Yeah but that also means that some very average intelligence niggers have done amazingly well in arts, due to sheer efforts.
For example : I don't think dancers need the biggest IQ of all.
Most artists you find on twitter or tumblr or whatever very likely are not the smartest.

Hell, if an elephant can learn how to draw on a canvas with his nose, so can you. That's just a lame excuse to not do anything
 
Nihilma said:
It's actually exactly what it is calibrated for : finding the extremes of the population. It's calibrated to a Bell curve to spot the extremes, and isn't very sensitive to the big mass in the middle.
It has predictive correlation with school results, as most high IQ profiles tend to do well in school, but that generally is the case if they are well balanced. If you're autistic or else, it might work very differently for you. Someone with high processing speed but average working memory may have a low attention span for example.
The tragedy with IQ is that everyone takes it as this magical and Godlike index that defines your worth and your capacities, when it clearly is not the case.

Again, I like to see life as working out. Someone with good genetics may have higher chances and an easier time getting buffed, but that doesn't mean that your average person, with enough dedication CANNOT end up at the same place.
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Right, it's one of those things where the more normal you are the harder it is to actually predict things. A shitty analogy would be the inverse of the Mercator projection; things get weirder as you get closer to the center. I also agree that people put too much value on it most of the time. In a way it's been "streamlined" to the masses (used to be a medical tool and still is, but people have started misinterpreting it). I hope you can figure out what I'm trying to say here. Bottom line is that people see it almost as a personality trait now.
People do need to be realistic though. Someone with an IQ of ~80 should be willing to explore and embrace their capabilities. I would hate it if someone told me that I'd never be a rocket scientist, but I'd start to seek out fun things I CAN do with what I have. I dunno.
 
cortex257 said:
Right, it's one of those things where the more normal you are the harder it is to actually predict things. A shitty analogy would be the inverse of the Mercator projection; things get weirder as you get closer to the center. I also agree that people put too much value on it most of the time. In a way it's been "streamlined" to the masses (used to be a medical tool and still is, but people have started misinterpreting it). I hope you can figure out what I'm trying to say here. Bottom line is that people see it almost as a personality trait now.
People do need to be realistic though. Someone with an IQ of ~80 should be willing to explore and embrace their capabilities. I would hate it if someone told me that I'd never be a rocket scientist, but I'd start to seek out fun things I CAN do with what I have. I dunno.
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Yeah no exactly. The biggest factor to success isn't IQ, it's effort
 
i can very much relate, i've gotten some drawings out of myself while at school though. just get bored enough with a pencil and paper.
 

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