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Soygoy
Soygoy
It comes off as quite entitled, I will say. They're heading straight towards a fate worse than death, but they can always change their ways.
We're all Gods children after all, I find the behaviour of Christians to assume the wrath of god based off of their own belief to be strange to say the least, it's like abusing the image of the lord to suit yourself.
Soygoy
Soygoy
I don't believe they deserve death, they deserve redemption of some kind, but to be honest, nobody is really high enough to dictate how others should live their lives, only they themselves.
baqqrih
baqqrih
We all deserve that death is what I'm trying to communicate. They don't know it, and so they pride themselves in what condemns them by the will of God, and that's terrible. In addition, yes, I do base the wrath of God off of my own belief, because I believe in that deity, who is God, and the word of God. That's what religion is.
Soygoy
Soygoy
I believe in a just God, a creator of the universe who's actions we cannot fully comprehend. To base the idea of God based off of your own biases is blasphemous. But alas, we as humans have been using the bible as a tool for years to get what we want in society because if the bible says so then you will do as it says and never question authority.
Soygoy
Soygoy
It is Satan that tempts them and therefore we should hate him and not the sinners who have fallen into his trap. Man was born from sin, you know. Jesus died for our sins.
ILoveVesna
ILoveVesna
>may the universe be with you
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baqqrih
baqqrih
>I believe in a just God, a creator of the universe who's actions we cannot fully comprehend.
Same here.
>if the bible says so then you will do as it says and never question authority.
Spot-on. I know I can't fully comprehend it so I don't question what I can't know of God.
baqqrih
baqqrih
Yeah, I don't hate sinners, either, I thought I already emphasized that when I said we all deserve that death in my following comment. If God hated every sinner, we'd all be dead.
Soygoy
Soygoy
If you know you cannot fully comprehend the will of God, why delude yourself into believing that God holds these beliefs based off of what you theorize from readings of the bible from people who just claim that God believes these things? These are your beliefs, not his. You can't just use religion to justify what you believe, so take it for yourself. I know that God would not condone you speaking for him.
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Soygoy
Soygoy
>I thought I already emphasized that when I said we all deserve that death in my following comment.
If Noah lived for 600 years, I don't exactly believe we deserve death.
Death is not deserved regardless, it just happens. Whomever's death is "deserved" is based off of moral beliefs.
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Soygoy
Soygoy
The best you can do is just relate your beliefs on the afterlife. The homosexuals may not be going to heaven, but I do not believe they deserve death, everyone deserves to live a full life.
The only way someone cannot live a full life is by freak accident or violence, which God absolutely does not condone.
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baqqrih
baqqrih
I believe this because I believe that the Bible is the word of God, and I believe that God condones me speaking for Him because I am speaking what I believe to be His word. This is what belief is, simply-put. You can believe His word is from the Quran and speak for Him through that, and I can't criticize you for that alone because that's what you'd believe, unlike the content of that belief.
Soygoy
Soygoy
>I am speaking what I believe to be His word
How do you know what you believe to be his word is actually correct? This is what you believe, albeit. Is there something wrong with taking responsibility for your own beliefs?
Wrath is a sin my friend.
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Soygoy
Soygoy
>How do you know what you believe to be his word is actually correct?
I suppose the answer to this is that you don't. Nobody does.
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baqqrih
baqqrih
>Wrath is a sin my friend.
Yeah, no-crap, you're only causing my head to be more tempted with wrathful anger the more you think I'm advocating for wrath, because I'm not. I don't know what you're asking me anymore, either. I believe in what the Bible says, you believe otherwise. Is there more to it then that people believe in different things?
baqqrih
baqqrih
People have been believing in different interpretations of Christianity for literal millennia, that's just how things are. That's how sects form, that's how churches split, that's how divides have been for a very long time. I don't understand the point you're trying to make besides that people believe in different things.
Soygoy
Soygoy
>Is there more to it then that people believe in different things?
I'll end this by saying that you believed that two sinners were not worthy of redemption, but instead deserved death. Though you did clarify this after I talked with you more about it, that we all deserve death as much as eachother, what you were saying came off as a plea of violence.
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Soygoy
Soygoy
To claim that certain people deserve death, and perhaps some others do not is wrong. I believe everyone deserves to go to Heaven, but not all can make it. There is still plenty of time in people's lives to make a difference.
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baqqrih
baqqrih
I'm sorry my words came off in that tone, then. I wouldn't have said what I did if I knew that there wouldn't be an initial understanding of my connotation that was sourced from Saint Paul's quote of the matter. I apologize.
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Soygoy
Soygoy
I'm not entirely sure that everyone deserves to die either, it's just a natural part of life. Every creature dies and to hope death upon someone is quite vengeful.
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